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 Nepal on the verge of COLLAPSE

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Posted on 11-08-05 7:59 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I think that Hon'ble Ambassador is damn serious, and he'd done good analysis of country (ofcourse, with his own interest in it too).

Nepal will collapse without no reconciliation: Moriarty
By Prateek Pradhan

KATHMANDU, Nov 7 - The Ambassador of the USA to Nepal, James F Moriarty, has warned the king and political parties that if something is not done immediately the whole system will collapse in the country.

"The emergency is only increasing, and if the right decisions are not taken quickly, the country will be in very serious trouble," said Moriarty in an exclusive interview to the Post on Monday.

Moriarty reiterated that the onus is on the King to reconcile, and reach out to political parties. "The gap between the king and the parties is growing. I still think political parties would respond if the King reached out in good faith. But the King has not done that, and he needs to do it. Frankly, I cannot figure out a safe landing for this country, otherwise," Moriarty said.

The US ambassador further said that after February 1st, both the King and political parties have become weaker, and only the Maoists have gained benefit. He said, "I hope, I'm wrong, but the State is very very brittle to me. It feels it could be knocked over very easily."

"The government is getting weaker rather than stronger, that means the state is in more and more trouble. They don't have much popular support. I think the King had lots of support for his move in February, because people hoped the country's problems would be resolved. I think the proportion is a lot lower now."

"If there's no reconciliation, there are probably several different types of futures, none of which looks good to me. One, is repression, the other is more and more confusion in the street, and yet another is resumed insurgency in the country. These are all unpleasant futures."

Trying to clarify his position after he issued a warning to political parties to refrain from collaborating with Maoists, Moriarty said the parties should adhere to their earlier stance that demands Maoists to renounce violence before any sort of reconciliation.
"I was reminding them that as of right now the Maoists had not done anything to indicate that they are abandoning violence."

Moriarty said that he had to issue the statement after Bamdev Gautam said that he had an agreement with Maoists, and that the Maoists would be shortening every candidate in the municipal elections by six inches (beheading them).

When asked for his reaction on Maoists' three-month unilateral ceasefire, which is going to be over soon, Moriarty said that it would be good if the Maoists extended the ceasefire, even though the ceasefire has many problems.

"The extortion is probably outgrown in ceasefire, abductions continue, there's still violence, people are still getting killed by the Maoists. However, the ceasefire has resulted in fewer deaths than before, and that's good. Anything that leads to fewer deaths is good."

Commenting on Nepal's changing foreign policy, which is tilted more towards a country with totalitarian regime, Moriarty said, "Nothing wrong with Nepal trying to develop friendly relations with other countries. But I don't think that relations with other countries will change the basic dynamic inside Nepal."

However, he admitted that a large scale of military support might give a feeling to the government that they could stand the domestic pressure for a while longer, and it might take the urgency of the reconciliation. However, he added, "There is no external option that would change the internal dynamics."

He added that the USA, on its part, has talked to various countries that have interest in Nepal. "We've talked to Pakistan in the past and also to China. If the need be, we will express our concern again," he added.

Talking about the controversial elections, Moriarty said, "Obviously, elections are the only way you are ultimately going to get back to a functioning democracy. Just as obviously, the parties have legitimate concerns whether elections under the current circumstances can be free and fair.

"Here, the combination of the announcement of elections with the announcement of the media ordinance, have been considered by the parties seriously and that is legitimate. The impression given is that there is not going to be a level playing field. So, the parties' concerns are alright.

"Again, it's upon the government to reach out to the parties and ask them what they need to do for the parties to take part in the elections. Though the government is not doing that now, I hope the government will do that," he added.
 
Posted on 11-08-05 8:10 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Let's start applying for assylum if we can't think any better way. This is really a serious issue n' there has also been a recent warning that earthquake can come anytime soon in Nepal. I don't know what's goi' to happen. Noone cares. I don't know what to do. But I'm too concerned n' these thoughts make me depressed. Have any1 watched a movie "Tears of Sun"? It sucks. And sth like that is very likely in the country without system.
 
Posted on 11-08-05 8:34 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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You seem so worried Gwajyo.We are just going through a dark-or perhaps (darkest which I wish)period in our history.Something terribly wrong was planted in our civilizations in the past by our ancestors and we are simply reaping it today.All societies or civilizations go through this period(remember how dark was west before renaissance and enlightenment).
Europeans hanged individuals who believed in helio-centric universe before they adhared rational minds and scientific evidence.And that was during their dark-ages.But like individuals societies changes.It invents and re-invents itself trust me that happens always for better.Running away from those realities (and thinking about asylum) is only going to make matters worse.Just chill and enjoy the show.We are paying for what our society still embraces.Dogmas and pointless beliefs.Instant gratification.
I never forget one of the hindu-poet/rebel said about us hindus who love to stick with our false teachings.
"If taking a bath at Ganges would make me better,then all the fishes are in heavan"
I couldn't stop laughing.
"Tears of the sun"
Is it bruce willis in africa trying to save save nuns from the rebel
Dang I missed that one.Good luck and don't worry so much.Things always happen for good reasons.
 
Posted on 11-08-05 8:52 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Thanx Izen for your good thoughts. What you mentioned is correct. However, unlike in the history of other parts, we've the power to do something these days. We're either unconcerned or scared. I do disagree that we can't simply watch this whole show (relaxed) drinking n' eating meat while our friends n' beloved relatives n' friends are in pain. On the other hand, we feel pain n' get excited n' feel anger while watching sports or movies. Do we've so called real emotions? It's not like watching the movie "tears of sun" (u r right; that's the movie i'm talking about). Have u watched the video that i posted on other thread? How can't u feel disgusting after watching that video n' sit silent n' quiet? We're going to be responsible for what's happening. We're reaping on the deeds of (so called) our great historian heroes; but we can't get away from our responsibility merely by blaming them. The future generation is going to blame us as well.
 
Posted on 11-08-05 9:14 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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One more story on typical nepali attitude.
http://www.kantipuronline.com/artha.php?&nid=56250
 
Posted on 11-08-05 9:40 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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the americans have pretty much given the indians free reign when it comes to mdedling in nepal's affairs. the directives from washington, DC are actually indirectly from new delhi.
 
Posted on 11-08-05 9:56 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Mr. Singh, pls elaborate how does it stop us from thinking and acting correctly ?
 
Posted on 11-08-05 11:21 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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"Moriarty said that he had to issue the statement after Bamdev Gautam said that he had an agreement with Maoists, and that the Maoists would be shortening every candidate in the municipal elections by six inches (beheading them). "

This is a direct threat to anybody who wanna particiapte in election. This SOB Bamdev should have been thrown to jail for issuing this statement.

Because of the moron leaders anyboy is meddling with Nepalis internal affairs. We need to sidline morons like Bamdev, Girija and et al for the successful democracy, peace and stability.

Because of these morons like these king is in power. These morons think that them being in power is democracy.

I do not see any rationale behind supporting these blood sucking parasties. As long as these suckers run the show, the democracy, peace and stablity is bleak.

Pissed Off
HF

 
Posted on 11-08-05 12:18 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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At the expense of innocent people?s lives these power hungry, blood thirsty monsters are having a rendezvous.
Weren?t these same corrupt politicians that enticed the people?s war? Now that they are at Maoists? door steps, they welcome them?
I have never been able to understand these Maoists who kill innocent people but claim the corrupt politicians and monarch as their main enemy and let them live freely.

 
Posted on 11-08-05 12:43 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Verge of Collapse re? Aba yo bhanda badhi kati collapse hos? It's already going through the civil war, dumb politicians and brain-drain. It's already in "hali matye hali matye ye baucha" taal. Baru US itself should think if their own country is in a verge of collapsing. It's the superpower, and like every other superpowers in a history, one fine day everything will fall down. Are they prepared for that before it really collapses? Or is it going to be like New Orleans -- failed to establish law and order in their own country when the Katrina hit New orleans, and they are out there in Iraq to establish the law and order... (got that line from RealTime on Hbo) eh...


 
Posted on 11-08-05 12:53 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Dear Kalanki, Should I start being happy to see my house in fire (as my neighbour or enemy's house is also going to be in fire one day)?

Conclusion: Why do we need to behave like Gyane?
GYANE:: Political leaders are sucking the country n' doing corruption. So I should suck even more.

Why do we chose to make wrong rationale instead of analysing ourself?
 
Posted on 11-08-05 1:19 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Dear Qwajyo, with all due respect, have you just figured out that your house is in a verge of collapse? Ours was burnt a long time ago. So was many other Nepalese's. Let's not even go too far in a history, it was burned by Rana dynasty, it was burned by khukuri dal, it was burned by BP Koirala, it was burned by King Mahendra, It was burned by Panches, it was burned by sweet old Pamfa devi and Mandales, it was burned by chiller killer thriller KPB, Girija, Bam Dev, It is being burned by the ghost of Mao-tse-tung and dewar deewana of Pamphabati. And you just realized your house is burning? I despise all the politicians and the King and "che" wannabees, and more than that I despise the people, who are scared that their house is in a verge of collapse, are becoming bheda bakhra and blaming just one of the three components that is burning our house down. Now you don't want me to spell those three components, do you?

Is there even a right ratonale?
 
Posted on 11-08-05 1:30 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Kalankisthan,
There is a difference between real "Che" and "Che" americans have tried to market.If you are blaming the leadership sphere of Maoist revolutions,I think it's a disrespect for che himself who I think was a complete human being.

 
Posted on 11-08-05 1:30 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Dear Kalanki, Your definition of collapse seems different than mine. Here's the quick reminder from www.m-w.com

Collapse: to break down completely

I don't believe that it has collapsed yet. Majority of people are still doing their jobs, going to school and enjoying festivities. According to what i've understood (def for collapse), it's something like that happened in combodia or other african nations.

Ofcourse, there're more than 3 component. I'll add me too if u feel hesitant to add yourself in it. That's why I'm asking what can I do make it better (TO PREVENT FROM COLLAPSE).
 
Posted on 11-08-05 1:50 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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You got me wrong. I didn't mean Real "Che" or American-marketed "Che".
I meant, Che-wannabees. :D
 
Posted on 11-08-05 1:55 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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qwajyo jyu, I thought we were talking about "verge of collapse" and as per my understanding, verge of collapse doesn't mean to break down completely.

Btw, I use www.dictionary.com. :D
 
Posted on 11-08-05 2:02 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Sorry to quote your sentence, but i'd to.
"have you just figured out that your house is in a verge of collapse? Ours was burnt a long time ago. So was many other Nepalese's."

I tried to clarify by saying that majority of houses in Nepal have not burned yet. Some houses have burnt completely, and smoke are beginning to appear in some of the houses. But we're talking about whole Nepal, and i was trying to be say that whole Nepal can get burned very soon i.e. on the verge of collapse.

So, i disagree with you that whole nepal has burnt. If it had already burnt, we can do nothing about it. As it has not burnt completely yet, so we need to be concerned (need to act) not to let the remaining part to be burnt too.


 
Posted on 11-08-05 2:18 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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qwajyo jyu, I guess you didn't get me at all, so it's not worth re-explaining the whole thing. Metaphors had been used, words became cryptic. If it's hard to understand, I can't simplify it. Sorry about that. My bad.

But the question is, How many houses, how many families, how much of faith have to be destroyed to finally call it a "verge of collapse"? How many late night fights have to be fought before calling it "a couple is in a verge of divorce"? How many Muna's have to die in order to make Madan sing a broken hearted song? How many is enough? How much is enough?
 
Posted on 11-08-05 2:24 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Gwajyo,

Your concern over Nepal is understandable, we certainly are on the verge of a collpase and no one can save it from that if we don't act immediately. What is making the matter even worse is the fact that as an individual citizen of Nepal, little can we do at this stage to improve the condition . Our king, political parties and maoists , the so called power stations are heading towards three different poles and are not ready for reconciliation at any cost.

However,personally I am optimistic that situation will eventually better in the future. Wait and see dude, by 2006 one of these is likely to happen:
1) Republic Nepal WITH maoists as one of the major political parties.
2) Mutiparty Democratic Nepal with constitutional monarchy and WITHOUT maoists.

In either case, we will be in a lot better condition than we are right now.

Count on me.

 
Dangerous Tranquilit
Posted on 11-08-05 2:27 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Well was browsing through and came across some great writing and thought I should throw in my two cents as well.
I agree with iZen that this is a phase for infant democracy. The main problem is what the now developed countries faced about 200-300 years ago or may be more?K our dear Nepal is going through right now. The so called ??struggle?? is always on if not a struggle to end the Maoist rebellion then a struggle to rid the world of terrorist. One leads to another and so on and so forth. However, this does not mean that we should carry out the wait and watch game?K definitely NO. what people are looking for is an able leader who can rise to the occasion and take the challenge. In this case I think carrot and stick approach is the most appropriate for Nepal taking into consideration the background and all that jazz. There is a need for someone who can point out the root cause and wipe it out from the grassroots level. Is Gyanendra is an answer to this? Hey... give him a chance?K let??s see if he has it in him.
As far as Mr. Ambassador??s comment on America??s involvement is concerned?K not much is going to happen cause Nepal ain??t got no oil ??
One more thing, there are Africans countries facing similar situation as Nepal is but the difference is the Britishers had to create a rift amongst people but hey we are Nepali we don??t need no outsiders to create a rift we can do it ourselves. Live example ?V King, Parties and Moaist.

 



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