read this...

http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/2006/04/aire-gaire-natthu-khaire-pahadis.html

also: http://sebsonline.org/forum/forum_view.aspx?F=1&T=71657

as we have seen in the other forum "Bhagat goes crazy" and his own blog... paramendra is trying to spread hatred among the nepalese people...at a time when we should unite and fight as a united force, he is trying to break the country apart along ethnic lines.... so hereby I call upon a social boycott of his blog which is his instrument to spread hatred and antagonism among nepalese brothers and sisters.....I request upon all of you to boycott his propaganda machine which he is using to spread hatred as well as to advertise his own "importance"

Madeshi people should contribute to the collosal "dooms day" of Nepal by building a massive army of their own.

I agree with Ashu. Some people might need to take Paramendra Bhagat with a grain of salt, but voices like his do more good than harm to democracy and national unity by bringing to the surface deeply burried issues that are bound to surface and potentially burn us if not dealt with in a proper and timely manner. We chose to bury our heads in the sand about ethnic dignity and aspirations for decades and allowed the Maoists, a party lead mostly by bramhins and chhetris, to take advantage, fairly or unfairly, of pent-up feelings amongst janajatis and galvanize that into a mass movement for the establishment of a communist state. That the Maoist movement has now lost steam is another issue that can largely be attributed to their high-handed and often brutal ways.

I also feel that the Nepali nation state has proven itself to be strong enough to handle the ethnic aspirations of the Madesis and Janajatis and we will, in the end, emerge as a stronger nation if we address the grievances of those who feel left out of the national mainstream. Remember more Madesis voted for the more broad-based parties like the NC and UML in previous elections than they did for the Terai-centric Sadbhawana and unless the Sadhbhawana party does something radically different the next time, that trend is likely to continue. The ethno-centric parties have been strongest when the nation was coming out from repression - right after the downfall of the Panchayat and have weakened in strength since. Freedom and democracy, in the long run, appear to have a mainstreaming affect on those on the fringes of politics.

My 2 paise.

>>They are weak because they try to go the easy way. I havent seen a very good madhesi scholar, engineer or doctor. Hell i havent even seen a good one.

Whose fault is it then? The fact that you haven't seen any good or very good madhesi scholar does not mean that they do not exist. It could purely be due to your own limitations. Read more!!

Although not all, some of what Bhagat makes perfect sense to me. Mr. Bhagat is far more intelligent and smarter than most of you here. Apparently, this guy has huge ego-problem, but who doesn’t? While Mr. Bhagat likes to express it in his writings, others keep it to their self.

Some of you here are saying that this is not the right time to bring this Madhesi issue, but I think this is the perfect time. We don't want to just topple monarchy; we want some serious reforms, be it with women issues or Madhesi issues, or Dalit issues. Don't expect this issue to pop right after the revolution is over. It never can, if it is not initiate or debated now. Every group fights for its own interests. Similarly, it is not uncommon for a Madhesi to fight for his own interests.

I am not a Madhesi myself, but I just see Bhagat fighting for his own interests group just like you are.

Paramendra Bhagat

STOP raising that kind of issues at the current situation of the country.

Your head might have gone cracked, you are totally racist or it's gyanendra's chal to use you on that way.

By the way, I was impressed earlier from your interest and stuffs but you have lost my respect.

NEVER try to bring any kind of conflict in JanAandolan !!

Its not madhises that are discriminated. Its their inferiority complex that comes in. Guest4 , ask any one who goes to engineering, dental, medical in india, most of them are madhises, well atleast 80% of them. well they stay back in india thats their problem.

We have Sherpas in North same like Madhises in South, what about them then, they should have same priority in equality. These madhises have backup of india, poor sherpas dont even have that, they are more discriminated than madhises.

ONE STEP AT A TIME, dont want NEPAL to hurry and solve all issues at once.

The whole propaganda seems laughable. Don't think people need to over-react to this. With due respect to Bhagat's freedom of expression, I have to disagree with him in many points that he has reiterated at times and again. But we don't need to go on for boycotting his blogs and stuffs. The easiest solution is to ignore him on irrational views. He is neither a direct political activist, nor an advisor to any political wing of the country, so his illogical plans are not going to materialize unless majority people believe and support him on those grounds.

I have nothing more to say than this being a pahadi to both pahadi and Bhagat bro

"if you spread hatered, you will get back hatered"

Pahadi hated madhesi and disgraced them so madhesi's are doing same whereever possible.

But madhesi like Bhagat should be aware you will not solve the problem by doing this... it will just fuel more hatered.

Lastly eventhough you are exercising your freedom of speech, I did not expect this from person like Parmanendra.

As far as Madhesi problem is concerned,we all have to agree even political leaders elected by madhesi community or representing madhesi community ever worked to help the community. They just enjoyed making money using their numbers to make and break coalition government.

Badri prasad mandal is an example he was so power hungry that even after being a Deputy PM he went ahead to take more smaller post of a mere minister.

I am sure the guy who started this thread is Bhagat himself. He loves attention which he never gets. I have never known anyone who ever reads his blog (the biggest microphone re)

And ashu, thanks for unsolicited reply. You don't have to reply for every post addressed to everybody. I know you love it when someone tries to create some kind of deviation in the present movement.[Now I am sure you will write 1+ page long reply to it saying how you favor freedom of expression, and how I am wrong that I said this and that.]

for the ignorant ones in this thread, the word you wanna use is MADHESI which means people from MADHES which comes from the old sanskrit word Madhya Desh.

The word MADHISE, MARSYA etc are incorrect and derogatory versions of the word MADHESI used mostly by Pahadis (with little or no education).

So learn and try to use the correct and educated and tolerant word atleast.

Or do you prefer that we call all sherpas and sherpa looking people BHOTE (assuming they are from Bhot - Tibet) and all Newars NITROGEN or TIN TIN MATTITEL (making fun of the accent) ????

I didnt think so. So once again lets all Nepalis refer to each other with some god damn respect.

As far as Paramendra Bhagat is concerned, he does seem to go overboard at times. But as someone with a brain, I take away what seems right to me and reject what seems like BS. Can't we all do that?

Not a single message in this thread saying what they agree with and what they disagree with.

I was gonna be the first but the blog site is down :-)

Will post again after I read what he has to say this time.

PIRE

And ashu, thanks for unsolicited reply.

Unsolicited : Not looked for or requested; unsought

This is a forum. F_O_R_U_M : a public meeting or assembly for open discussion.

Pilot!

what do u think, starting this thread minimizes Bhagat's propaganda?

Somewhere in my mind, I feel that you could be Paramendra Bhagat yourself... to make more people visit his blog.

Fkin Propaganda.

maranchyase,
haha saathi saro haso utho tapai ko kura padera .... ma nai bhagat ho bhanne sunda ek chin ta jhatka nai pari ra ... neway i thought this would be a good option to stop bhagat's propaganda machine ... i donot how how good a decision it was but i am sincerely hoping that his hate breeding blog cannot serve such purposes in the future

Maile ta Paras ko boycott hola bhanera thread kholeko Parmendra ko boycott po rahecha. galti le Paras lai parmendra bhaneko ta hoina?

Blog site is back and I just read it. So here goes.

The current inequality between pahadis and madhesis in Nepal is an issue. Size of it is a matter of personal perception. Dalits will consider their issues bigger and women will consider womens rights more important. . . u get the idea

Bhagat says:
There is a need for a revolution within a revolution. Democracy will not be enough. So a movement to establish democracy is not enough. There is need for more.

agree - need a movement that insures equality, not just liberty.

He is right about the royal army being a pahadi army, maoist army being a pahadi army, though i'd say predominantly pahadi. and not just the police and army, madhesis are under-represented in a lot of other areas. the numbers speak for themselves

Lets talk Judiciary
Chief Justice & Supreme Court Justices - Pahadi - 18, Madhesi - 2
Chief Justices of Appeal Court - Pahadi - 10, Madhesi - 2
Judges of Appeal Court - Pahadi - 64, Madhesi - 9
Judges of District Court - Pahadi - 123, Madhesi - 8
First Class Officers in juducial services - Pahadi - 18, Madhesi - 0

Source : HMG (2001), Nyay Parishad Bulletin, Nyay Parishad Secretariat

How about politics
Central Committee members
Nepali Congress - Pahadi - 35, Madhesi - 3
CPN UML - Pahadi - 65, Madhesi - 4
NC(D) - Pahadi - 25, Madhesi - 5
Jan Morcha - Pahadi - 43, Madhesi 01

as of Jan. 2006. count them

Madhesi members of parliament as of 1999 - 20%

how about media?
Management committees of press council, radio nepal, gorkhapatra, NTVm RSS -- 6% madhesis

dont have the numbers of police, armed police, army and maoist but u get the idea.

he is not alone in asking for equality. the person who said the fracture is already there is correct. Sonner we seal this gap, better for Nepal.

as for his crying about his beloved sadbhavana leaders:
sadbhavana leaders didnt make the news because they r insignificant. they are tainted, fragmented and have crazy agendas. they dont represent the madhesis. as someone said earlier, most madhesi votes go to UML and NC(P,D)

Bhagat says:
If there are five central figures in this revolution worldwide, I am one of them

If there is one idiot in this world, it is also him
someone ought to remind him what the old books say about kama, krodha , lobha, moha, mada, matsarya, mamata and abhimaan.

Hey Bhagat hope u r reading this.

Pilot,

After constant ignoring from both SEBS, Sajha and some other sites, Parmendra's propaganda were all limited to himself.

But its Thota and Pilot are starting them back again!! I cant understand it.



http://himalkhabar.blogspot.com/2006/04/blog-post_13.html

lazywally,

madhesi issue is genuine, but only successful and well respected (by madhesi population itself) madheshi can drive their demand to the height.

I don't know what paramendra does for living, but I haven't read anything that makes me think the guy writes from a room that doesn't belong to the asylum for sustamanasthiti guys. He thinks he is ignored by BBC (Heck, I too think I am ignored by CNN and Nobel prize committee everyday despite being world class mathematicians because I am a Nepali) and thinks others are 'nobody'[pahade obviously includes MIT Harvard professors, UN asst secretary generals etc]

Pire,

Even if Bhagat is a total failure in life (according to your definition), what's wrong with his using his time, his money and his resources to shout the loudest about causes he holds dear so long as he doesn't harm others?

Even those who have "failed in life" have a right to free speech.

Success means different things to different people, and people live out their lives diferently according to what's important to them. Not everyone's dream is to
win a Fields Medal.

By your definition, Prakash Chandra Lohani (educated, PhD) or, for that matter,
Jay Raj Acharya (educated, PhD) would have been the most influential social
leaders in Nepal. They aren't. Educational achievements have very little, if
any positive correlation with social/public leadership. Let's get that clear.

And so, let ethnic activists like Bhagat do what he wants to do -- using his own resources for causes that dear to his heart.

The rest of us can either engage with what he says or ignore him.
The choice is ours to make.

There is no point to go around calling for a boycott of him or his blog. He and his blog have a right to exist.

And to judge his life as a failure or to deride his "achievements" or to make fun of him because he holds views that most people do not find pleasant is NO reason to
boycott him. That, to me, smacks of a certain kind of insecurity on the part of
those who deride him.

If a democracy cannot take care of its most unpleasant characters (who have done
no harm, except harm someone's idea of what's 'propah'), then, such a democracy
is no different from what our Maoist comrade have in their midst.

All of this is trivial, no?

oohi
ashu

Dear Friend,
Well i dont know much about him, but i feel that the present situation is going to dampen the economy of nepal. So think wta will be the economic status of nepal 10years down the line.

Ashu, I agree with you but we still need someone to laugh at :-) what better person to laugh at than someone who says things like ":I am one of the 5 top revolutionaries in this world. I am the father of . . . god knows what"

It would be wrong to boycott him, but laughing at his idiocy, thats another matter.