नेपालभासया  महाकवि सिद्धिदास महाजुं "जिमिगु भाय नेवारी मखु नेपालभास  ख:" धका आन्दोलन न्ह्याकादीगु ८० दं ति दये धुन्कल | तर आ नं "नेवारी" धाइपिं यक्व हे दु | खस् भास छ्यलीपिन्सं ला "नेवारी" या सक्कली नां "नेपालभास" ख: धका ए मथू थें च्वन | न्ह्याथाय नं "नेवारी" "नेवारी" च्वया हैरान ए यायू | तर आ फेसबुक पाखें छगू बाँलागु ज्या जू वन | आ "नेवारी" मखु "नेपालभास" छ्यले मा: धैगु चेतना वइ कि?

Almost 80 years ago, the great poet Siddhidas Mahaju said "Our language is not 'Newari', it is Nepalbhas." But the word "Newari" is still used by many people. Most of them do not know what is wrong with "Newari", particularly among the "Khas" language users. Now the popular social network site has taken down the word "Newari" from its profile database. Thousand of pages using the word "newari" are replaced by "Nepalbhasha" according to an article posted on nepalmandal dot com.

I would appreciate if Sajha could also correct the wrongly used word.

Details here: http://www.nepalmandal.com/content/12548.html

फेसबुकं 'नेवारी' खँग्वः लिकाल

न्ववाइगु भाय्‌या सूचीइ 'नेवारी' खँग्वः लिकयाः 'नेपालभाषा' तयेगु इनाप लिपा अन्ततः सोसल नेटवर्क साइट फेसबुकं 'नेवारी' खँग्वःयात पूर्ण रुपं चिइकूगु दु । थ्वया लिपा आः फेसबुक छ्यलीपिं द्वलंद्वः नेवाःतय् प्रोफाइलय् न्ववाइगु भाषाया रुपय् नेपालभाषा धकाः खनेदये धुंकूगु दु ।

न्हूगु परिवर्तन लिपा फेसबुकय् थःम्ह न्ववाइगु भाय्‌ धकाः प्रोफाइलय् भाय्‌या नां 'nepal ..' निसें च्वयेगु शुरु याःसा 'Nepal Bhasa' धकाः अटो कम्पलिट अप्सन बिइ । अथे हे 'newa' प्यंगः आखः टाइप यायेवं 'Newar / Nepal Bhasa' धकाः अप्सन बिइ । यदि 'newari' धकाः भाय्‌या नां च्वत धाःसा उगु भाय्‌या नां स्वतः नेपालभाषा धकाः हिलाबिइ, 'newari' धकाः भाय्‌या नां च्वके बिइमखु । उलि जक मखु थ्व स्वयां न्ह्यः नेवारी धकाः थःगु भाय्‌या नां च्वयातःपिनि दक्वसिया प्रोफाइलय् 'Newar / Nepalbhasa' धकाः स्वतः हिउगु दु ।

लुमंके बह जू, विश्वया दक्वं भाषाया नां व कोड ISO या ज्या याइगु लाइब्रेरि अफ कंग्रेसलिसे नेवाःतय्‌सं न्ववाइगु भाय्‌यात नेपालभाषा धकाः च्वयेत इनाप लिपा न्हापा नेवारी धकाः जुयाच्वंगु नांयात छुं दँ न्ह्यः नेवारी, नेपालभाषा धकाः भिंकूगु खः । नेपालभाषाया ISO 639-2 कोड new खः ।

Sidster,

"Thats what you ..... than a government of Nepal. "
If you want to defend the wrong system and wrong governmental policy on behalf of your clan, then you will surely be criticized. The demand of equal right for all Nepalese languages of Nepal is directed toward government, not to Khas community. But the khas people want to keep status-quo because the government's current policy benefits them. For any reason, as long as khas people like you keep on supporting the unequality, both you and government is indifferent to other deprived community.

"If you think state funds ...... Nepali language as his/her mother tounge. "
You should first learn to correct your understanding about "tribe". The "bijukche, baidhya, amatya" (or whoever you have named) pay tax to government, which are in hands of adhikari, pande, bhattarai, mahat-brothers. To fulfill your request, Nepal needs autonomous state mechanism for allowing people like "bijukche, baidhya, amatya" spend their money to themselves.

"Newars never ......... were wiped out."
Actually, "manu makhu marshya kha" is over-hyped phrase perhaps more used by "khas-activist" (read carefully activist) rather than public newar. If Newar should use such phrase to discriminate, they have said "manu makhu khe kha", why? Because "khe" had attacked and tortured Newars, looted and destructed Newar propeties in every 50 to 70 years frequency since 13th century to 18th century. "Marshya" had not attacked Newars to that scale. "Musmaa" had also attacked a few times, but most of attacks to Newars are from "khe". This is the historical fact. Then, why newars don't say "manu makhu khe kha", and why newars say "manu makhu marshya kha"? Do you have a logic?

"I am also eagerly .......... your insight there."
You should get a life. I just saw, you were welcomed with sandles there.

GorkheCowboy,

"Chana jasto racism le andho bhako manche sanga bahas garera kehi faida chhaina....."

First, you have to learn what is racism, and what is not. timile bhandai ma bhasaa maa samaan adhikaar chahinchha bhanne kura racism hune bhaye sansar arkai hunthyo.

"maile bujhe samma ........  bhanna  milla ki namilla ??"
yesko jawaf mitra shantipriya baata aaisakyo. haina ???

"you go to doti, ...... padh natra mardinchu bhanyo???"
Now you know where is the root of so called khas "Nepali", and you are trying to understand why I am against making "nepali" a single synonym for "khas". All language originated and existed as original language of Nepal should be "Nepali". By now, you should understand Newar language is as "Nepali" as khas language. The "rastra-bhasa" vs "rastriya-bhasa" is another discriminatory policy that I reject outright.

"Take home msg ............ hune chaina !!!!"
Arop lagaunu agadi sahi aarop lagaunu siknus mahaashaya. By your standard, people like you are the most racist, who don't like to recognize existence of any other languages except your own one. Bhasa mathi daman garne policy bachaunako khaatir jatiya yudh ko bhram failauna chhodum.

So whats your point chanataarkari??? you want war? you want bloodshed? you want civil ethnic genocide? ke chhayo timilai yesto ta thulo ki ma thulo kura garera? Talk like this creates a lot of tension between ethnic differences. yes you have a lot of good points BUT most of them are just   like  MAOIST TALK  AND NETA TALK TRYING TO CREATETHIS GRAVE INDIFFERENCES AND SPECULATIONS TO DESTABILIZE AN ALREADY WEAK AND BROKEN NEPAL
so whats your point....summarize for us....do you hate us non newars?

terobaje,

"you have an answer ......... the same microscope. "
All my opinions and rebutals are backed up by facts and logic. I don't use strong words like "ignorant" unless people ignore the fact and keeps on repeating the stuffs that makes no sense.

"now to your comment ........no tension at all after 5 yrs"
You really don't need to disclose this much details about yourself. I hate making comments over private life. I just felt odd how strongly you used the word "Newars are the most racist" in your earlier post. Marriage is very strong relation. A girl abandons everything to get a boy. As soon as the girl becomes a mother, she goes into a huge change in her life. You can just imagine about the love, patience, devotion, care, sensitivity that she puts into her new-born baby, and at the same time she also realize that how hard it was for her parents to raise herself. This is the point she again starts thinking of her parents and start loving everything about her maternal home, culture, environment. She starts missing manything at your home eventhough you bring everything. You should have understood this better, but in your earlier post, you insulted your wife's maternal home despite the things getting normal in your life. The caste system has caused enough problem in our society. In my another post, you might have read how I was suffered by my grandparents, guthi and society when I tried breaking caste-based rules. Your in-laws might have grilled you, treated impolitely, but I still do not believe that they deserve to be called "most racist" by the standard of discrimination I faced or the discrimination still being practiced in some part of the country.

"I grew up in ........ one caste that is NEPALI,"
Same here as long as you talk about caste. But, I am strongly for equal opportunity for preserving and promoting language. In the name of "Nepali" if you just want to keep "khas" language, there would be no common space.

"you can go down ............. no turning back."
I have never preached about bloodshed. Why you are so fearful? We can make it through civil discussion and exchange of logical opinions and earn mutual respect. But use of foul language, derrogatory rhetorics and stupid ideas would make it always worse. 
 
"Who is better ............... others to do to them."
We dig past to learn and prevent from making the same mistake again and again.

Shantipriya,

"What newars of CT kinds ........ ....Let us all ask ourself."
Have you learned anything about "focussing on the subject matter"? You keep on switching topics from one to another, never put enough information, and when asked details, you jump to another issue. You first talked about narrow-mind, then dirty place, then radical extremism, and now on history, sambat and even festivals and padma ratna-malla k sundar? I have answers for you in each of these issues, just chose one, stick on that and keep your arguments. Don't jump here n there acting like a cry-baby.

"On the other hand ..... is where my fear is. "
Yes, you are correct, Government has to provide budget for continuation of Newar Jatra and festivals. Government policy was to transfer ownership of guthiland to individuals, to make tonnes of money every year. I was against it since I was aware of this policy (some 15-20 years ago). The government expenditure to Jatra and festival is less than 1% of the amount the newar people deserve viewing the current market price of land and other commodities. I have done some research on this issue in the past. There was also a high-level study team formed after the agreement between the government and Newar activists 2 years ago. UNESCO also has done research on the issue. I have access to many of these information. I can share with you if you want to learn about this with more facts and figures.

So what you gonna do chanatarkari? What is your solution?? Tell us.

Start thrashing non-newar people in kathmandu and tell them to leave ktm. This is what you want rite??  But, do not forget if you hate somone you will be repayed by even more hatred.

Well said daboo .....

"The wrong has to be righted first before we begin on the road of reconciliation and reconstruction of our society people and nation. Humans are the only being with a fantastic capability called the rationale brain and the entire information of its history and culture of this world and life is kept it in."

why should there even be a discussion about stuff like this? Ego and pride will always hamper any logical solution. We live in Nepal and Nepali is our National language, Deal with it. It is like english in Nepal where most people speak it, Yes Ive met many people in Nepal who dont speak Nepali from all ethnic back grounds, tamangs, sherpas, lamas, Newars etc etc. But most do.

How is it that I disrespected my wife? I call it as I seen it,  My family is Rana +Thapa mixed...(thakuri) Rana side is A class SJBR. and shumsher Thapa family...YA very high up there in caste if you want to call it( u know I hate this caste system)...you think my family wasnt harsh about me marrying a Newar? Dude you dont even know what happened ...yet I married her, We were both here in the US so we went and got married without any family consent in court  but later my family accepted her .........BUT Her family was the hard one to agree, one would think that someone like my family background would make any family happy to give their daughter...NO i was wrong, we were nothing but KHE..... low caste in newar culture ( yelled at my face by one of her relatives here in the USA) I almost kiled him......ya I dont take kindly to disrespect...... it took a long time before her patrents even spoke to both of us and 5 yrs later its a lot better but we Still dont talk to that insulting relative...he is younger to both of us yet hates KHE people and hangs with all his khe friends talk about double standards huh?...  later We went back to Nepal and did the traditional wedding, we combined both cultures and had a very interesting wedding both families were proud and happy.  We both live here in the US so you really dont have any Idea because we both left our home and everything we have here we both equally worked for it. AS for her missing her life, culture.....are you kidding me...most Nepali celebrate the same festivals, eat the same kind of food, grew up watching same TV,  similar experiences like school,  friends etc  and culture. May be you grew up somewhere else. AS for the language ...we speak both Nepali and Newari at home...our kids need to learn both. its very important. You seem to feel sorry for my wife that she married out of her caste and has to endure so much hardship.......you are wrong and being a KHE isnt a discrimination proof we are  treated with the same discrimination if we go to a ethnic majority area...STOP FEELING SORRY FOR YOUR SELF BUDDY LIFE IS TOO SHORT TO PONDER 

"I grew up in ........ one caste that is NEPALI,"
Same here as long as you talk about caste. But, I am strongly for equal opportunity for preserving and promoting language. In the name of "Nepali" if you just want to keep "khas" language, there would be no common space.

what are you talking about up there?? makes no sense, what common space? why are you using the word KHAS ??? you say that talk out of fact and knowledge but all i see in you is a very delusional individual with inferior complexity and denial. Im very sorry for for you, i dont know why you think the way you do or what happened to you for your feelings to be so full of hatred towards us non newars....Now please dont say that you dont hate us and you dont need to quote our comments like you need to justify and correct us...dont do it please.

Very interesting thread so many interesting things going on.  Looks like I came to this thread bit late.

There are many things going on in this thread side by side so I don’t know from where to start but let me try to contribute by replying to the points which are obliviously flawed

  

To Daboo

 My question to you will be; had he respected the Newar Culture and the people who created this Culture he would not have attacked the valley in the first place. Many a travelers from far and wide came to see and appreciate the renowned Newah culture but this PNS came with a strong desire to conquer, rule and own it. His numerous repeated attacks on the valley is proof to his insatiable and marauding desire to conquer the people and rule over them and own all the riches and try his best to rename the culture in his name, which unfortunately persists to this very day.

 At the time of PNS it was era of creating new country, expanding existing countries those practice was in the state of decline but was not considered “bad”.  Please read the history of contemporary world for situation of that time. Even the Malla kings were always fighting with each other for small piece of land here and there. Secondly Malla rajyas at that time were very badly managed. Patan was being ruled by Pradhan mafia, Katmandu Jayasthiti Malla treated Katmandu as its personal property. It is not enough space to show every example here but if you read the history book written by renowned scholars you will find it. So they were perfect prey> PNS was there just at right time, that’s all.

The Kingdome of PNS was Gorkha not Nepal, after conqueerring valley he didn’t named it gorkha instead he accepted the advance culture and the country as Nepal not as Gorkha in other word he assimilated himself in the culture of valley (also called Nepal khaldo even at the time of PNS). I don’t find any culture of Katmandu valley (Nepal khaldo) was renamed after PNS or Gorkha

In his dibya upadesh he even said if you need entertainment listen to music and other cultural programs of newars. That is called appreciation and respect. Now how much do you respect your Newah culture how many “Newah pyakha” you have in your collection and how many Hindi songs in your collection? I don’t know where you are but Newari culinary is very famous if you are in US tell me how many times you eat Newari food?

 

One more point I don’t know what is your age, if you are not married and student try to misbehave, disorganize and stay clumsy you will know how other ppl will take advantage of you. And if you have a family of your own, try to create mess in your family and you will know how other ppl will destroy your family.

Same thing happened to Mallas, situation was changing ppl wanted to move on but those kings were running country like a personal property (for this read once again the history books written it is not possible to quote many pages from books here). Present day example is Egypt. Good ally to America, and Israel but the ruler failed to meet the ppl aspiration they simply want change.

You are very much confused by the word Nepal even though geographically Nepal was divided into small principalities, Gorkha was still Gorkha but the valley had no separate name, valley was called Nepal ( and Nepa in Nepal Bhasa )  After the death of Akchya Malla the Nepal was divided into there Rahjyas (city states) among his three sons. The name Nepal was known from ancient time long before PNS.

 

I like the idea of Shantipriya. If you fight the right war in wrong way you will loose.  

By the way I am neither shah, thakuri nor supporter of Monarchy in Nepal)

 

It is because of this also that PNS saved his ass agreeing to the Sagauli Sandhi in 1816. giving away some land in the west and east to the East India company in return to rule over rest of Nepal at will. The gorkhas still harbor the dream of owning “The Greater
Nepal” – what a BS.

Its good that you want to participate in debate but before that you need to read. PNS did not do Sugauli sandhi it was different time. But this point is saying something even after PNS time it was fashion that one country  colonize other. Among lots of so called civilized European country it was good idea. But now colonizing (of that type) is considered as crime.

You  have to understand society /civilization changes with  time Yesterdays norms are wrong today and today’s norms will be wrong tomorrow.

 Friend, you are NEWAR first and then Nepalese, and so are the rest of the people of Nepal, Tamang first and then Nepalese. Khas-bahun first and then Nepalese, and so on and so forth. Do not be taken away by the Khas propaganda that has created

  

This is just opposite of what is happening in so called first world. In US except for few first generation US citizens almost all call themselves “American” first and later on if you asked more they will say my parents were from so and so country. Same is true in many European countries. Even many first generations American proudly say I am American. When I was in Canada trying to get a taxi outside the airport I was welcomed by a “Sikh” opening the door of his taxi and saying welcome to Canada,  my country.

 Daboo,

If you are a US citizen next time if someone ask then please say I am “Newah “  and don’t say I am American . And forget about saying I am Nepali because according to you “Nepali” is a word of conqueror of “Newah”. In US (which you guys love to immigrate) you are American first then somebody else.   This is the practice in almost every country. Even  a guy from south India says I am Indian first and then Tamil, if he is from Tamilnadu. But in Nepal you suggest to do opposite.

Dude understand what’s going on around you. What is the flow, which way civilization is heading? Looks like you are trying to swim against the current

 

Is there anyone else out there who has a grasp of what “NEPALI” culture is or what “NEPALI” language is all about. I am waiting to hear for a good argument. Anyone.?

If you can find American culture then you will find Nepal culture too. No “Khas” has said only their culture as Nepali culture; can you show me a proof? Newari culture, in books, or in advertisement and for tourist were portrayed as Nepali culture by your so called “Khas”  friends but thanks to the republic Nepal  not only “Newah” culture is Nepali culture but Sherpa, Madhesi,  Tharu and khas   cultures are also Nepali culture now . May be you wanted KTM valley to celebrate only Newah culture, may be you are not happy that Madhesi people celebrating “Chhat” in KTM

 

On the top of that the title of this threads “No Newari” please and as far as understand what chana tarkari   trying to say is Newari Bhasa is not Newari Bhasa it is Nepali Bhasa

 

What happened here is so called “khas” who don’t like to be called “khas” (that is great in my opinion) were unknowingly saying language of Newari people as “newari bhasa” and CT’s point is “hey it is not Newari Bhasa it is also “Nepali Bhasa” that’s it . I see positive point here. In my opinion both CTs and others are saying same thing. In CTs version call “Newari bhasa as Nepali Bhasa” we don’t like it being called Newari bhasa and others so labeled “Khas” are also saying Hey” there is no “khas”  language its Nepali language. Both  party wanted to call language they speak as Nepali language; I don’t see any problem in that

 

BUT  Mr. daboo you have to come up with funny idea about no existence of Nepali culture. In fact you are writing against the spirit of CT and against your own understanding. Sorry to say that you sound more like you don’t know what you are saying.

  

As far as the name change of the Khas-kura to Nepali is concerned, it was intentional, deliberate and well thought out in order to rule and dominate the local populace cultural, linguistically and politically. This did not happen by itself. Nothing happen by itself. It was the orthdox Bahun’s brain and Chetrris brawn. Rest is history. Only during the Rana regime that the language know as the “gorkha-Bhasa” was renamed to “Nepali” which was a very recent event. Before there was no such language as the “NEPALI” bhasa.

 

Please read, some one already answered this point., but you bring it again. This remind me one joke

 

One guy was trying to put dog’s tail inside an iron pipe, other guy saw it and said “hey whatever you do you can’t straighten dogs tail” first guy replied “no, I am trying to bend the Iron pipe not trying to straighten the dog’s tail

 

The wrong has to be righted first before we begin on the road of reconciliation and reconstruction of our society people and nation. Humans are the only being with a fantastic capability called the rationale brain and the entire information of its history and culture of this world and life is kept it in.
 

And who decides wrong and right?  you?? Or the ppl on your side only,  you don’t need to listen to the other side?

I have posted few data about the language in US analyze it with neutral thoughts may be it will help.

  

I think you are right to say that PNS was not a khas. Yes he was not a khas. His ancestral name was Khan a muslim, perhaps. Their name changed to Shah as seen in their bhansavali and we know them as a Hindu “Vishnu ko Avatar” this was all done on the advise of the learned orthodox Brahmin who thrived on the Chetrris.

 So much hatered towards PNS, man too much negative thinking, please read following. Word "khan"  was there long before spread of muslim religion in Turkey

 

Khan (sometimes spelled Han, Xan, Ke-Han, Turkic: khān  Mongolian: Хаан qāān, Chinese: 可汗 or 大汗, kehan or dahan) is an originally Central Asian title for a sovereign or military ruler, first used by medieval Altaic-speaking nomadic tribes living to the north of China. 'Khan' is also seen as a title in the Xianbei confederation for their chief between 283–289. The probably proto-Mongolian Rourans were the first people who used the titles Khagan and Khan for their emperors, replacing the Chanyu of the Xiongnu, whom Grousset and others assume to be Turkic. It was subsequently adopted by the Ashina before the Göktürks (hence the Turkic peoples) and the Mongols brought it to the rest of Asia. In the middle of the sixth century it was known as "Kagan - King of the Turks" to the Persians.

http://wiki.name.com/en/Khan

 

The title khan influenced Iran and the Muslim countries in Central Asia, but in Arab World (the origin of Islam), khan is the word for “inn” (its first use was applied to “inn for the caravans”).

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan_%28title%29

 When majority of people start to use something you cant change it by  a law, people will not follow, read following

 The Indian national calendar (sometimes called Saka calendar) is the official civil calendar in use in India. It is used, alongside the Gregorian calendar, by The Gazette of India, news broadcasts by All India Radio, and calendars and communications issued by the Government of India.^[1]

How much do you think Indians use shaka sambat? . Have you seen Indians fighting  for this? most of Indians even don’t know this fact.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_national_calendar

Now situation of different languages spoken in US

 

 There is no national language in US, people with German origin dominate but language is American. fo;;owing  is the diagram which shows the majority ethnic group in different states

   German

   American

   Mexican

   Irish

   African

   Italian

   English

   Filipino

   Puerto Rican

 Look at which ethnicity is represented mostly in US presidency, check population demography and ethnicity of presidents. Is this samabesi?

It will take lots of effort to place how different ethnicity is represented in state assemblies . I Leave that to you

Here are some relevant bits of information from various sites:

• $1.5 billion is a rough estimate of how much the U.S. government spends annually on language education. Some programs are designed to replace minority languages with English, other funds are spent in support of "foreign" language studies to improve communication in the competitive global marketplace.
• English Language Advocates reports that nearly 17 million Americans admit that they not do speak English very well, that the number of Americans who do not speak English has soared since the 1990 census, and that 18% of Americans do not speak English at home.
• Before Columbus, roughly 300 languages were spoken here -- now almost half of those are extinct. Crawford projects that in another 50 years only 20 indigenous North American languages will be alive and spoken.

17 million ppl can’t speak English very well so what about they standing up for presidency? So many different languages are spoken in US and only 1.5 billion is psent on language education???? and in that too, some programes are desigend to replace foreign language. So many languages spoken in US vanished but US is still a super power why ??? Have you seen them fighting for thier mother toungue? Thats why US is US and nepal is nepal, and I can gurantee you that with present understaning of  nepali ppl, nepal will remain poor for coming 500 yrs if it exists as nepal till then
 

http://ask.yahoo.com/20011107.html

 

Ethnic origins of U.S. Presidents

43 men have served as President, with the following ethnic origins

27 English
 2 English/Scottish
 2 English/Welsh
 4 Scottish
 1 Scottish/Irish
 2 Irish
 3 Dutch
 1 German
 1 African

Fully, 38 of the 43 Presidents ethnic backgrounds are from the British Isles
 
English

Adams (John)
Adams (John Q)
Bush (George)
Bush (George W)
Carter
Cleveland
Clinton
Coolidge
Fillmore
Ford
Garfield
Harding
Harrison (Benjamin)
Harrison (William Henry)
Hoover
Jackson
Jefferson
Johnson (Andrew)
Johnson (Lyndon)
Lincoln
Madison
Nixon
Taft
Taylor
Truman
Tyler
Washington

English/Scottish

Hayes
Wilson
English/Welsh

Arthur
Pierce
Scottish

Buchanan
Grant
McKinley
Polk

Scottish/Irish
Monroe

Irish

Kennedy (Irish Catholic)
Reagan (Irish Protestant)

Dutch

Roosevelt (Theodore)
Roosevelt (Franklin)
Van Buren

German

Eisenhower

African (Kenyan)

Obama

 

 

It is true that Newah culture is one of the wealthiest cultures of Nepal most of Nepalis daily life is seen to be influenced by Newah culture> BUT…BUT when you praise something too much it start to become dispraise like ppl say in Nepali “ chini pani dherai khayo bhaney tito huncha”

 The culture started to develop in Licchabi era and reached the climax in Newah era. It had knowledge from all the developed cultures (for example gold plating in idols in patan using mercury was already developed in Egypt during Pharaohs time it took may be more than 3000 years to reach ktm. It is  not an invented culture it was  developed from already existing base culture. Please read what other Nepalese are saying about newah

 

 

चाहे प्रसंग प्रधानमन्त्री माधव नेपालको होस् वा अरूको। नेवारमा श्रेष्ठ थरको नेवार बाहेक एक त सबभन्दा माथिको प्रसँगबाट वंशावलीमा आजसम्म आएका छन् भने तपाईं इतिहास पल्टाउनुस् पाउनु हुनेछ 'भगिरथ भैया' जस्ता थुप्रै भारतबाट मल्ल राजाहरूबाट झिकाइएका मधेशी कायस्थहरू। जो यहाँका राजाका बहीखाता मिलाएर जाँदा राजाहरूले रोकेर आफ्नै चेलीबेटीहरूसँग विहेसमेत गराईदिए, यो भनेर कि सधैं हाम्रो हिसाब हेरिदिनुहोस्। यस्ता सयकडौं मधेशीलाई राखिएका थिए। आज नेवारमा पनि 'कायस्थ' थरवालाहरू छन्, जो सबै उनीहरूकै क्रसका सन्तान हुन्! फेरि थारूको के इतिहास लेखूँ म? उनीहरू पनि क्रस हुन्। अब, अर्काहरू श्रीकृष्ण आचार्यका र ज्ञानेश्वर भट्टराईका पृथक किताबहरू अनुसार थापा/बस्नेत क्षत्रीहरू राजपूतना भारततिरको, पूर्विया, कुमाई, तथा सरबरिया बाहुनहरू कन्नौजतिरका छन् भने यहिंकै दमाई, कामी, सार्की, पार्की, ओडहरू पनि छन्। राजवंशीहरू कुचविहारबाट, कोचहरू पछि लिम्बूसँग विवाह गरेर विजयपुर गाउँ मोरंगतिर बसाए। लाप्चे वा लेप्चा भारतको सिकिम्म, कालिङ्पोङ्ग, दार्जलिङ्ग, शेर्पाहरू भारत र भूटानबाट, धिमालहरू भारतीय र तिब्बतीको मिश्रण, मगरहरू हंगेरीका आदिवासी मग्यार र भारतका हूणसँग नजिक छन्। गुरूङ्ग (तमू) आसाम र दार्जलिङ्, धुलेलहरू लाँगाका र उनकी पत्नी धुली गाउँका केटीका सन्तान हुन्, जो लाँगा भारतका सिद्धपुरूष थिए र मानसरोवर जानेक्रममा धुली गाउँमा आएर गृहस्थी जीवन बिताउन थालेका थिए। अब म कतिको बारेमा 'पहाडे नेपाली'को बारेमा लेखूँ तथा को–को हालका यस्ता नक्कली नेपाली नेताका बारेमा? जो जनमोर्चा, राप्रपा नेपाल वा अन्य 'गैरमधेशी दल' चलाएर बसेका छन्। अब झलनाथ खनाललाई के भनूँ जब उनी मधेश खोज्न दिल्ली यहाँका जनतालाई पठाउँछन्? उनी स्वयँ पनि मधेशी हुन् कि 'नेपाली'? प्रश्नीय छ।

 please use following link to read full article

http://www.weeklynepal.com/newsite2/index.php?option=com_publication&task=display&view=news&id=10169

 

I may or may not agree what is said above

 

Regarding the Nepali Bhasa  you need to listen to other facts also, sometime I feel even Malla kings didn’t respect Nepal Bhasa. You want to say so many things to so labeled "Khas" ppl but please read following

 ........ मैथिलिक श्रेष्ठ प्रतिमा एहि मल्ल नरपतिक दरबारमे आविकाव्य साधना कएल करथिन एवं ताहि क्रममे मैथिली भाषा मल्ल राज्यमे राजकीय भाषाक रुपमे सम्मानीय पद प्राप्त कए लेलक। तेा। तहिया जे मैथिली काव्य साहित्यिक प्रधान श्रोत अशोक मल्ला आ जयस्थिति मल्लक दरबारमे प्रवाहित भेल, सा हुनक उत्तराधिकारी लोकनिक राज्य दरबारमे १७६८ ई. धरि प्रवाहित होइत रहल। १७६८ ई. मे मल्ल राजा लोकनिक पराजित कए पृथ्वीनारायण वर्तमान गोरखा राज्यक आधारशिला राखल ओ क्रमिक गोरखाली भाषाक महत्व बढैत गेलक ”

मल्ल राजाहरु कतिका साहित्यानुरागी, कलाप्रेमी, काव्यनुरागी तथा नाटकप्रिय थिए त्यस बारेमा डा. दुर्गानाथ झा “श्रीश”ले अगाडि भनेका छन् कि जयस्थिति मल्लका सन्तान जययक्ष मल्लको १४९२ ई. मा मृत्युपश्चात् मल्ल राज्य तीन शाखाहरु भादगाउा (भक्तपुर), (वनिकपुर) बनेपा र कान्तिपुर (काठमाडौं) एवम् पाटन (ललितपुर)मा विभाजित हुन गए पनि उनीहरु बीच पारस्परिक सम्पर्क र स्वस्थ्य यस्तो प्रवल रहेको थियो कि एक दरवारमा राम्रो कविता तथा नाटक रचेर

"Thats what you ..... than a government of Nepal. "
If you want to defend the wrong system and wrong governmental policy on behalf of your clan, then you will surely be criticized. The demand of equal right for all Nepalese languages of Nepal is directed toward government, not to Khas community. But the khas people want to keep status-quo because the government's current policy benefits them. For any reason, as long as khas people like you keep on supporting the unequality, both you and government is indifferent to other deprived community.

What is unequal?? Do you want more people to speak Newar??? Even young Newars are ashamed to speak newar these days. Try speaking Newar to the Newar kids in Public...they hate it...they will Avoid you...even if you speak in newari..they will talk in Common Language back to you....It also makes me feel sad to see that happen...Because Newar is one of the important tribal language of our country and the new Newar Kids do not care about it. Newar language is so behind that there are probably less than 10 Newars left in Nepal who can actually write in Newari Lipi...Its a shame that the hard core newar like Chana has to borrow LIPI from DEVNAGIRI and present his tribal words. I have a suggestion for Newars, please collect some money and create a school to teach Newar language and Lipi..quit borrowing a LIPI based on KHAS langauge to print your language. You have your own Lipi....learn it and revive it. How are you going to spread your messages without a LIPI??? I would like to support Newar language...but lazy Newars have neglected and destroyed their language beyond recovery.

"If you think state funds ...... Nepali language as his/her mother tounge. "
You should first learn to correct your understanding about "tribe". The "bijukche, baidhya, amatya" (or whoever you have named) pay tax to government, which are in hands of adhikari, pande, bhattarai, mahat-brothers. To fulfill your request, Nepal needs autonomous state mechanism for allowing people like "bijukche, baidhya, amatya" spend their money to themselves.

Who has stopped Newars to become Adhikari, Pande, Bhattarai, Baidhya, and Amatya? Here is a clue for you...When a Newar kid comes home from school, make sure he does his homework and you show him an examples of Adhikaris, Pandes, and Bhattarai. Do not let him sit in your " Tel Pasal, haluwa swari pasal or momo pasal" after school. If he fails school do not say.. " chinta te mate...next year dua do ni" whoop his asss and teach him a lesson like a pandey and adhikari would do. After he passes school make sure he learns Samanya Gyan kittaab and passes Lok Sewa, Lok Sewa has openings every year and has an odds of 1 person getting job out of 5000. This should get him in a an entry level beaurocrat. After 15 - 20 years of service with intense competetion he may become a tax collecting sr. beaurocrat. At the same time the fellow Newar should have patience in making sarkari talab while watching his friends and famaly making lot more selling Momo, Haluwa, or Tel.

Autonomous state is in the talks. Make sure the Newar you vote talks about your agenda in the house. There is a mechanism for it. You should get your fair recognition. If your population is 5% of the total population. I fully agree that it should get 5% of the consideration.

"Newars never ......... were wiped out."
Actually, "manu makhu marshya kha" is over-hyped phrase perhaps more used by "khas-activist" (read carefully activist) rather than public newar. If Newar should use such phrase to discriminate, they have said "manu makhu khe kha", why? Because "khe" had attacked and tortured Newars, looted and destructed Newar propeties in every 50 to 70 years frequency since 13th century to 18th century. "Marshya" had not attacked Newars to that scale. "Musmaa" had also attacked a few times, but most of attacks to Newars are from "khe". This is the historical fact. Then, why newars don't say "manu makhu khe kha", and why newars say "manu makhu marshya kha"? Do you have a logic?

Newars have been attacked since thier existance. If it wasn't KHE who attacked you it would have been someone else.

I lived in Newar community at the time where there were no Newars who could talk Common language. So do not tell me Newars spared other races. They were prejeduce to everyone including their owns.

"I am also eagerly .......... your insight there."
You should get a life. I just saw, you were welcomed with sandles there.

Do you have any substance to post there? Are you racist bigot? Answer whose fault it is that your tribe are actively following Film Fare? Has Hindi People also ruined you from your own language?? Why do Newar Kids like watching Hindi Substance more than Newari and Nepali????? Do you have plans to attack hindi language on the next thread???

I have seen lots of characters like yourself suffering from inferior complexity. You try to come up with logics and each time you do it makes you more and more of a uninformed, racist bigot. You want to do something but you do not have the recources or willingness to do it. Then you resort on bashing others on your inferiority you feel about yourself. Listen, it is not our responsibility (KHAS people's responsibility) to make sure your language is prospered. Would a Limbu, Gurung or Bhojpuri care about promoting Newar Language???? Why is the burden on KHAS people? If you think more KHAS people are in government bearacracy and politics then train your tribe to get these jobs. THE DOORS ARE OPEN...fight your way in.

देस भंदा ठुलो जब जाति र आफ्नो थर हुन्छ, एसले देस लै त दुबौने नै छ साथै त्यो जाति पनि स्वोयम समाप्त भएर जानेछ. बाकीं कुरा आफैं बुज्नु पाखण्डी हो. पृथ्वी नारायण शाह लाइ गाली गर्ने तर आफ्नो पुर्खा को कायरता त अकर्मन्यता लाइ स्वोभाविक मान्ने मानिसकता ले ग्रस्त कट्टर नेवार जातिले बुज्नु पर्ने कुरा धेरैनै बाकीं छ.

btw, पृथ्वी नारायण शाह को पुर्खा कुल मण्डल खाँ हुन् KHAN होइनन, र उनि राजपुत हुन् इतिहास पड पाखण्डी हो.  आफैं कौवा बनाउने र आफैं हुन्दैनाभाको कौवाले कान लग्यो भनेर कराउने कत्रो मुर्खपाना तिमीहरुको. 

continued from my previous post

........ मैथिलिक श्रेष्ठ प्रतिमा एहि मल्ल नरपतिक दरबारमे आविकाव्य साधना कएल करथिन एवं ताहि क्रममे मैथिली भाषा मल्ल राज्यमे राजकीय भाषाक रुपमे सम्मानीय पद प्राप्त कए लेलक। तेा। तहिया जे मैथिली काव्य साहित्यिक प्रधान श्रोत अशोक मल्ला आ जयस्थिति मल्लक दरबारमे प्रवाहित भेल, सा हुनक उत्तराधिकारी लोकनिक राज्य दरबारमे १७६८ ई. धरि प्रवाहित होइत रहल। १७६८ ई. मे मल्ल राजा लोकनिक पराजित कए पृथ्वीनारायण वर्तमान गोरखा राज्यक आधारशिला राखल ओ क्रमिक गोरखाली भाषाक महत्व बढैत गेलक ”

मल्ल राजाहरु कतिका साहित्यानुरागी, कलाप्रेमी, काव्यनुरागी तथा नाटकप्रिय थिए त्यस बारेमा डा. दुर्गानाथ झा “श्रीश”ले अगाडि भनेका छन् कि जयस्थिति मल्लका सन्तान जययक्ष मल्लको १४९२ ई. मा मृत्युपश्चात् मल्ल राज्य तीन शाखाहरु भादगाउा (भक्तपुर), (वनिकपुर) बनेपा र कान्तिपुर (काठमाडौं) एवम् पाटन (ललितपुर)मा विभाजित हुन गए पनि उनीहरु बीच पारस्परिक सम्पर्क र स्वस्थ्य यस्तो प्रवल रहेको थियो कि एक दरवारमा राम्रो कविता तथा नाटक रचेर त्यसको अभिमञ्चन हुन्थ्यो भने अर्को दरबारमा झन त्यसलाई परिमार्जित रुपमा विद्वानहरुबाट लेखाएर अभिमञ्जन गराउने गरिन्थ्यो। जसले गर्दा मैथिली साहित्यको विकासमा गति आउनुको साथै नाटकहरुको रचना पनि धेरै हुने गर्दथ्यो।

त्यति मात्र होइन कि नरपति मल्ल राजाहरु मध्ये सिद्धिनरसिंह मल्ल, सिंहभुपति मल्ल, श्रीनिवास मल्ल, भुपतिन्द्र मल्ल, जगज्योति मल्ल, जगतप्रकाश मल्ल आदि राजाहरु स्वयम् पनि कवि थिए।

सिंहभूपति मल्लद्वार मैथिलीमा रचिएको एक पद्य यस्तो रहेको छ:

“..... वैसलि शयन समीप सुवदनि जतने समुखी र होए।

भेल मानसबुलय दहो दिस देल मनकय फोए।”

भूपतिन्द्र मल्ल (१६९५–१७२२) को १०० गीत भएको मैथिली संग्रह बारे सूर्यविक्रम ज्ञवालीले आ136नो “नेपाल उपत्यकाको मल्लकालीन इतिहास” मा उल्लेख गरेका छन्। त्यस मध्येका “हरिबन्दना” का केही पंक्ति निम्न अनुसार छ:

“पीत बसन कुमित विराज खगपति आसनविराज

शंक चक्र गदा पद्य बाहु सहास.....

भूपतिन्द्र हरि गुण गांव।

पछुग सुन्दर हृदय विहाव।। आदि।

डा. दुर्गानाथ झा “श्रीश” मैथिली साहित्यिक इतिहास पृष्ठ (१७३) अनुसार जगज्योति मल्ल (१६१३–१६३७ ई.)को शासनकालमा उनीद्वारा रचिएको नाटकमध्ये “मुदिनफवलायाशव” (१६२८), हरेगोरी विवाह (१६२९), कुञ्जविहारी नाटक आदि रहेका छन्।

जगतप्रकाश मल्ल (१६३७ ई.–१६७२) ले थुप्रै पद्य रचना गरेका थिए भने मैथिली भाषा लेखिएका नाटकहरु जस्तै उदाहरण, नलीय नाटक (१६७०), पारिजातहरण, प्रभावतीहरण (१६५६) मलयागन्धिनी, मूलशशिदेवोयाख्यान एवं मदनचरित आदि रहेको थियो। यिनको कार्यकालमा मैथिली साहित्य, संगीत उत्कर्ष सीमामा पुगिसकेको थियो। जसले गर्दा मध्ययुगीन इतिहासमा उनी “गन्धर्वविधा गुरु” एवं “कविन्द्र” नामले प्रसिद्ध थिए।

कवि सिद्धिनरसिंह मल्ल (१६२०–५७ ई.) को काव्य प्रतिमा बारे उनीद्वारा गरिएको विरहिणी नायिकाको विलक्षण वर्णनको निम्न हरफबाट स्पष्ट हुन्छ:

“ विष सेमार पवनासन हारे। पावक सम धनि मान तुषारे।

नोरहिं काजर वहिर वहिर परइ।

ससिं बसि मसि खञ्जन जति नमइ।।”

प्रताप मल्ल (१६४१–७४ई.) यिनी “कविन्द्र” उपाधिबाट समेत प्रसिद्ध थिए। यिनी बहुभाषाविद एवं बहुलिपी ज्ञाता थिए।

यिनका पदावलीहरु मध्ये “गीत–प्रताप मल्लीय”

गीता गोविन्दम प्रताप मल्लस्य र

“प्रताप मल्ल विरचित गीतम” आदि।

अझै पनि यी प्राचीन मैथिल भाषामा रचिएका साहित्यिक दस्तावेजहरु काठमाडौंस्थित राष्ट्रिय अभिलेखालयमा सुरक्षित रहेका छन्।

श्रीनिवास मल्ल (१६५७–८५ई.) कवि सिद्धिनरसिंहका छोरा श्री निवास मल्ल समेत आफै कवि थिए। यिनीद्वारा रचिएको एक पद्यका पंति यस्तो छ:

“उपुमिअ आनन नीरज पंकज ससधर दिवस मलीने।

माह अनुपम अधर सोहाओन, नवपल्लव रुचि जीने।।”

नृपमल्ल देव: यिनको एउटा विलक्षण पद भाषागीत संग्रहमा विशुद्ध मैथिली भाषामा यस किसिमले रहेको छ:

“मल्ल देव नृप कैतन वचन सुनि तोहे दति दुरगति जानी।

ऐसनि प्रिति कैसे विघटावह दुहु दिसा दोगुन भाती।”

रणजित मल्ल (१७२२–७९ई.):

यिनी भक्तपुरका अन्तिम राजा थिए। यिनलाई पराजित गरेर पृथ्वीनारायण शाहले गोरखा राज्यको स्थापना गरेका थिए। यिनकै समयमा मैथिली भाषामा नाटकको सर्वाधिक रचना भएको थियो। नेपालको कथित एकीकरण पश्चात नेपाली भाषा (खस भाषा) राजकाजको भाषा बन्न पुग्यो र अन्य भाषाहरु राज्य संरक्षणबाट बञ्चित हुन पुगे। (गंगाप्रसाद अकेला नेपालको मैथिली भाषा साहित्यमा नाटकको विकास)

यसरी नेपालको इतिहासमा मैथिली भाषा साहित्य प्राचीन काल देखि नै विकसित स्वरुपमा प्रमाण मिल्दछ। साहित्य क्षेत्रमा मात्र नभएर विश्वकै पहिलो सहितावद्ध कानून “मानवन्याशास्त्र” जुन मैथिली, नेपाली र संस्कृत भाषामा राजा जयस्थिति मल्ल (१४३८–१४५२) को शासनकालमा मैथिली ब्राह्मणहरुद्वारा नै रचना गर्न लगाइएको थियो। जसको मुख्य मस्यौदाकार रामनाथ झा र रघुनाथ झा हुनुहुन्थ्यो। त्यतिमात्र नभएर १९१० को मुलुकी ऐन जुन जंगबहादुरले १८५१ मा बेलायत भ्रमण पश्चात लिपिबद्ध गर्न लगाएका थिए त्यसको मस्यौदाकार समेत मैथिल ब्राह्मणहरु लोकपति झा र लेसपति झा नै हुनुहुन्थ्यो।

यसबाट मैथिली भाषा साहित्य र मिथिलावासीद्वारा नेपालको प्राचीन इतिहासमा भएको योगदान स्पष्ट रुपमा खुल्न आउाछ। मल्ल शासनकालमा मात्र नभएर राणाकालीन समयमा समेत मैथिली ब्राह्मणहरुलाई थोरबहुत कदर र सम्मान दिइएको पाइन्छ। एकपल्ट जंगबहादुरको शासनकालमा टक्सारी सुवा धर्मानन्द झा, सुवा पृथ्वीपालका सुवेदार साहेव झा, विचारी लाल झा, विचारी वैजलाल झा, पण्डित बासुदेव मिश्र, पण्डित चन्दननारायण झा, पण्डित हर्ष नारायण झा, पण्डित कृष्ण झा समेतका मैथिली झा ब्राह्मणहरुले १९१० सालमा प्रधानमन्त्री जंगबहादुर राणालाई उनकै दरबार थापाथलीमा गई “हाम्रो जात ब्राह्मणहरुलाई अरुले आदर गर्नुपर्नेमा छैनन्। कसैले कसैलाई मान्दैनन्। हाम्रो समाजमा कहिल्यै थाहा नभएका अनादार जसलाई जे भने लाग्यो गरेका छन्” भनी निवेदन र विन्तीपत्र चढाएका थिए। उनीहरुले थप भनेका थिए कि “सरकारबाट अरु सबै जातको ऐन बनेको छ, हाम्रो जातको निम्ति मात्र कुनै ऐन, नियम, स्थिति भएको छैन भनी प्रधानमन्त्री जंगबहादुर राणा समक्ष जाहेर गरेका थिए। फलस्वरुप उत्तरमा जंगबहादुरले भनेका थिए, “तिमीहरुको जातीय व्यवस्था देखि तिमीहरु १० जनालाई तिम्रो जात अनुसारको नियम बनाउन अधिकार प्रदान गरिएको थियो। साहित्यिक र कानूनी क्षेत्रमा मात्र नभएर धार्मिक क्षेत्रमा पनि काठमाडौं उपत्यकामा मैथिल ब्राह्मणहरुद्वारा गरिएका केही अतुलनीय योगदानहरु:

० मैथिल ब्राह्मण तान्त्रिक नरसिंह ठाकुरद्वारा श्री गृहयेश्वरी माई को स्थापना

सुब्बा कुलानन्द झा र उहााका परिवारका योगदानहरु

० श्री पशुपतिनाथ मन्दिरको मूलद्वारमा तीन तर्फको कलात्मक तोरणसहित चाादीका ढोकाहरु वि.सं. १८९१ मा निर्माण गरी उहाा र उहााकी पत्नी विद्यालक्ष्मीको प्रतिमा स्थापना।

० पशुपतिनाथ परिसरमा वि.सं. १८९१ मा सुब्बा कुलानन्द झा स्मृति भवन (मैथिल ब्राह्मण समुदायको सदावर्त गुठीघर) को स्थापना

० वर्षको तीन पटक १०८ मैथिल ब्राह्मणहरुलाई उक्त गुठी घरमा भोजन गराउनुको साथै मैथिल ब्राह्मणहरुका अन्य धार्मिक कार्य सञ्चालनार्थ सदावर्त गुठीघरको स्थापना।

० पशुपतिनाथका विभिन्न धार्मिक कार्य सञ्चालनार्थ उपत्यका भित्र ७८८ रोपनी जग्गा र रौतहट, सप्तरी, धनुषा, शिवनगर लगायत तराईका विभिन्न क्षेत्रमा मौजा जग्गाहरु राखी गुठीको स्थापना।

० पशुपतिनाथको नित्यपूजाको लागि आवश्यक फलफूल चढाउनको निमित्त सो सदावर्त गुठीघरको पूर्वतर्फ करिब ३ रोपनी १२ आना जग्गा फूलवारीका लागि सदावर्त गुठी स्थापना।

० पशुपति क्षेत्रको वनकालीमा कालीको प्रतिमा स्थापना गरी वनकाली भगवती मन्दिर र दुई तल्लै सत्तलसमेत निर्माण। ० नरदेवी (श्वेतकाली) मन्दिरमा पितलको छाना निर्माण गरी मन्दिरभित्र उहााको प्रतिमा स्थापना।

० मृगस्थलीस्थित राधाकृष्णको प्रतिमासहित मन्दिरको निर्माण कार्य उहााकी जेष्ठ सुपुत्री राजराजेश्वरी झाबाट भएको।

० भक्तपुरको श्री सूर्यविनायक मन्दिरमा कलात्मक तोरण वि.सं. १९०३ मा उहााका जेष्ठ सुपुत्र हिरालाल झाद्वारा निर्मित।

अन्य मैथिल ब्राह्मणहरुका योगदान:

श्री पशुपतिनाथमा परम्परादेखि निरन्तर रुपमा प्रत्येक पूर्णिमाका दिन शिव भक्त मैथिल ब्राह्मणहरुद्वारा आरती सहित महास्नान भोग चढाउने कार्य भैरहेको र हाल नेपाल मैथिल ब्राह्मण समाजको नेतृत्वमा महास्नान कार्य व्यवस्थित गर्दै लागिएको।

यसबाट नेपालको प्राचीन धार्मिक इतिहासमा समेत मैथिली ब्राह्मणहरु र मिथिलावासीको महत्वपूर्ण योगदान रहि आएको कुरा माथि उल्लेखित बुादाहरुले स्पष्ट पार्छ। अझै पनि काठमाडौं उपत्यकाको विभिन्न ठाउामा मिथिलाञ्चलबाट मल्ल र कर्णाटवंशीय राजाहरुले बोलाएर बसाएको बस्ती छ। जस्तै भक्तपुर जिल्लाको “इटाचे” भन्ने ठाउामा घना मैथिली झा ब्राह्मणहरुको प्राचीन बस्ती छ। त्यस्तै भक्तपुरकै “दोख्थे” भन्ने ठाउामा पनि छिटफुट प्राचीन मैथिली बाहुनहरुको घर देख्न पाइन्छ। देख्दा नेवारी शैलीको घर देखिने उक्त घरहरुमा नेवारी परिहनकै मैथिली ब्राह्मणहरुको बास हुन्छ। अनुसन्धान र खोजको क्रममा म त्यहाा पुग्दा यी सब हेरी म एकैछिन अलमल परेको थियो तर पछि म हर्ष विभोर भएको थिएा। यसबाट मिथिलावासी मैथिली ब्राह्मणहरु नेपालमा र खासगरी काठमाडौं उपत्यकामा आजदेखि मात्र नभएर शदियौं देखि रहि आएको भन्ने कुरा स्पष्ट हुन्छ। त्यति हुादा हुादै पनि मिथिला राज्यको र मिथिलावासीको आज नामोनिशान छैन। जगत जननी माता सीताको देश आज खस साम्राज्यवादीहरुको मागी खाने भााडो भएको छ। मिथिलाञ्चलको आज अतोपतो छैन। त्यसको राजधानी सिम्रौनगढ नेपाली इतिहासमा पढ्ने विषयवस्तु पनि किन बन्न सकेन? यी र यस्तै प्रश्नको उत्तर आज सम्पूर्ण मिथिलावासीले खोजी रहेका छन्।

नेवार समुदायहरुले शंखदर साख्वाद्वारा चलाइएको नेवार सम्वत ११३१ लाई राष्ट्रिय दर्जा पाउनुपर्ने जोडदार माग गरिरहादा मिथिलाञ्चलवासीले र मिथिला र मधेशलाई राजनीति गर्ने जुवाको अखाडा बनाएका जुवेडी अर्थात मधेशवादी नेताहरुको मिथिला सम्वत् (१४१७–१४१८) लाई समेत राष्ट्रिय दर्जा पाउनु पर्ने माग किन गरिरहेका छैनन्?

अब उठौं जागौं मिथिलावासीहरु, धेरै ढिलो भइसकेको छ। भारत र नेपालमा निहीत मिथिलाञ्चललाई फेरी पहिल्यै झै स्वतन्त्र, अटल, सम्बृद्ध र शक्तिशाली बनाउन एकबद्ध होऔं।

 

http://www.weeklynepal.com/newsite2/index.php?option=com_publication&task=display&view=news&id=9564

 

This MAY help you to find the status of Nepal bhasa during malla period. If this article is to be beleived,  Malla kings  asked to write मानवन्याशास्त्र” जुन मैथिली, नेपाली र संस्कृत भाषामा not in "Newari"  bhasa. Now you tell me what was the status of Nepal bhasa at that time??  There were no "Khas" to stop them writing in Newari. When someone can write poems, plays in some languages means He/she must be very much knowledgable of that language.
There are so many things what other ppl (non khas in you version) are saying. If you read all those then you may start to question is there any Newari language? BUT I don’t question, because I have wonderful present with me and bright future ahead. 

 

While writing this I remember a joke told by my oldest brother

When I was in Nepal in 2008 I asked him who the wisest person is known to him, he said his wife

I was surprised and asked why? He said

You know she is always talking, always finding his fault, always saying what he  did wrong, she knows everything

 

As some ppl said your education is never complete unless you gave enough time to read the things you don’t like.

If you always think about yourself, your language and your culture, you end up with this situation where you see only you and your culture nothing else.Understand contribution of another culture for development of Newari ( nepali culture )
I have one question too,  how can you live with soo much hatered towards certain group of people? so much negative thinking about some group will take you where ?

I have one question too,  how can you live with soo much hatered towards certain group of people? so much negative thinking about some group will take you where ?

WELL SAID! Seedha Rekha:-)

 chu dhyau chu dhyau... dhewa maru?? sajha ma kich kich garu..

त्यो हाम्रो नस्ल्मा जन्मै देखी लिएर आएको हौ होला , तेसैले भछननी बर्मा गए कर्मै सँग नेपाल आए कपाल सँगइ , एस्लाई अलिकती मर्मत गर्दा
बर्मा गए कर्मै सङै
बिदेस गए बानी बेहोरा सङै

कोही कोही लाटाले बाउ भन्न सिके झै बेला न कुबेला बजै नेह्ला गरी हाल्छन, अनी माटाको भाडालाई काठको मुङ्रा देखाए पछी चुप लाग्छन । जात पातको उदय र काम ले सानो ठुलो बनाउने सन्स्क्रीको उदय सँग हाम्रो मस्तिस्कका तारहरु तुनिएका छन , अनी न त कुनै कारण चाहिन्छ नत कुनै बहाना चाहिन्छ , 24/7  तयार छन झगडा गर्न, अरुलाई हिन बनाए पछी ठुलो हुईने मन्स्थिती बिदेस बसेर डा को डिग्री झुन्ड्याए पनि त्यो मस्तिस्कमा तुनिएका तारहरु बादलइदैनन अनी तिनै को असर हो हामीले देख्नु र भोग्नु पर्ने । सिङौरी नहानी र छुद्र बाचक् सब्द्को प्रयोग नगरि स्वकल्पित ठुलो मनिष नहुने हुनाले पनि होला ?  

Has anyone come to stop  yourself from calling yourself Newar American???? Feel free to call yourself even....Shrestha American, Dongol American or Sahi American. When you have meetings and parties please invite us all because i love newar culture, food and people. Keep a map of Nepal handy so that if someone asks...you can show them the location without uttering the word NEPAL.

One more thing....not all Newars are proud of being a Newar....please do not generalise....I know from highschool that some of my Newar friends hated it when their parents talked in Newari to them infront of their friends. Good luck to you all hurt newars i hope you get to revive your language and lost LIPI.

I know where my anchestors came from, they migrated from some place in Gujraat in India some 600 years ago to escape the Muslim rule in india. We have been Nepali for over 20 generations and we do not need any other identity.

 Chana shahuji look at another instance of khas dominance.............one thing is true, we are much more open than you!!!

  Daboo

 

 

We fully understand the conquering and marauding ambition of PNS and of kings and warriors of that time, but what is starling is the same attitude and complexes of the same people, just a modern version of this age old defunct thinking.

 

 

It is not enough only by understanding conquering and marauding ambition. Nepal was not created only by conquering and marauding ambition of PNS .  It is also because of the clumsy and out of date management of city states by then kings. If those kings had managed and changed their city states according to the need of that time PNS may have failed. Don’t forget that PNS father failed twice   conquering Nuwakot.  Like many others developed cultures/society collapsed because they failed to change with time. PNS had strategy; he learned the weakness/strength of the City states by living in Bhaktapur at the age of nine. That is what happened to Gynandra. He failed trying to imitate Mahendra. Gyanandra failed to understand that Mahendra’s time was different than BS 2060. Same strategy and thinking doesn’t work in different era. PPl of Gorkha loved PNS; they were ready to die for him. PPL of KTM valley was fed up with their kings. Now you see the ppl power. In present day same thing happening in Egypt but Mubarak failed to understand that when  your own countrymen are against you nobody can save you.

 

Please try to look at the both sides of the coin, don’t blame or give credits by seeing only one side.  (Btw I am not from Gorkha nor are my ancestors)

 

Per your assertion if the “ruling elite” and the “learned people” did nothing to undermine the newah language and culture of Kathmandu Valley but rather supported it as the premier cultural and historic identity of the Nepalese people then I do not know why it would in such a precarious condition and the people does not care about it.

 

That is what you think but check it with reality

1. How many Newah festivals are given national importance compared to other culture in Nepal?? So many Newa Jatras are preserved till date, Indra Jatra, Gai Jatra, Kumari, Matyaa, Matsindranath, bala charey, ghya chaku, shree panchami, Bisket Jatra, sithi nakha, quati punhi, are wide spread. In a multicultural society why don’t you learn about festivals of other cultures? Who did that your "khas " friends in power and "conqurrer" of KTM valley did that. At the time of PNS you guys were not in a positin to demand PNS to celebrate you  culture nor the norms of the time was asking respect the culture of conquered society. Instead at that time the winner used to loot the ppl and destroy their culture. PNS did not do that why? on the top of that after PNS wining the KTM he went directly to sit in the “Raj Sihasan” to claim the victory BUT a group of newars said “yeah you win but we will accept you as our king only if Kumari accepts you and put tika in your forehead, he had two options, either immediately kill those Newars and claim the “Sihasan” or avoid the bloodshed as much as possible. He took the risk and went to Kuamri asking for tika, Kumari gave tika and Prasad (which is also equivalent to “sagun” he came back and claim the victory. That is what is called respect and acceptance. Your ancestors and culture already accepted PNS why are you complaining now?  
2. Next day there was some small program but a group of newars were afraid whether to celebrate those festivals or not. Because what they had experience from past KINGS (their own king) is that if you do something King doesn’t like he will punish you. They were sitting near present day mahankal stahan, PNS’s  Sipoy saw that and reported to PNS. PNS asked bring them to him. All Newars were afraid thinking that now he will kill us. They were presented to PNS, PNS asked why you ppl have sad face, why were you sitting there? They said we will go home, it was our mistake, but PNS insisted they tell him the truth, finally one told him that today is next day of Indra Jatra our group celebrate by playing music etc. Then PNS said then why are not you celebrating today? Who is stopping you? They couldn’t believe it and return to celebrate after doing jay jaikar of PNS. Now that is what I called respect of the people.
3. When kings of patan and ktm fled to Bhaktapur and take asylum there. Don’t you think that he had enough power to "conquer"  ( in you word) Bhakatapur but he waited, first because king of Bhakatapur was his “mit ba” at the same time he was equally aware of the fact that a country was not divisible between brothers and mit ba’s because country belongs to its people. Second he wanted much less bloodshed so after almost a year or so of blockade it was economically week the spirit of the ppl was low he took this opportunity to take Bhaktapur with much less bloodshed.
4. During  taking of Bhaktapur all three kings were in one room, if he had hatred towards his enemy he could have asked his soldiers to kill them or inorder to create the fear among the people of Katmandu valley he could have executed them in public ( remember those days it was common practice and it is still a common practice in many countries) But no, he said don’t disturb them only a king will deal with kings, and he went to the room said hello to his “mit ba” and requested to accept his win, (but mit ba was still in mood to fight)  and asked their desire how they want to spend rest of their life?  He tried to fulfill their desire. King of Patan didn’t spoke at all so he kept him in prison where he died later.  Now this is what I call bravery, humanity and greatness for the winning King of that time. And still ppl think PNS was a conqueror
5. At the time of PNS king of Patan was just a puppet. The city was ruled by 6 Pradhans. PNS knew it so he offered them a very lucrative deal for accepting him as a ruler, they readily accepted that. But after taking Patan next day he ordered the beheading of Pradhasns and their extended families. You may be surprised,  why he order beheading of the those pradhans> those were the treacherous  of the country , for money and post they were selling their country to PNS, A brave man will die fighting but never sell his country. Now that is what I call statesmanship. I wish those type of treacherous will be punished severely by govt these days too.
6. Bad side of PNS, cutting of nak and chultho of men and women of Bhaktapur, I don’t like it but if we look at the practice of punishment of that time it was bit humiliative but milder.

 

So what Newars (you wanted to be Newar first so I am writing Newars, sorry to those who wanted to be Nepali first) lost as a result?

 

1. Newar kings (actually it can not be considered as a loss because they were out of fashion already)
2. Newar festivals were kept intact; I don’t remember PNS prohibiting any Newar culture or practice.
3. Use of  Nepal sambat, it was replaced by saka sambat, Nepal sambat was lunar one, it was replaced by solar saka sambat ( traditional saka sambat was lunar but it was changed later to tropical solar sambat)  changed
4. Official use of Newari language ( by reading the history of that time it seems that very few official work was needed at that time) and kings were using Maithali language too ( see my previous post) and their book keeping was done by Jhas from some other state ( see my previous post). If you keep book keeping in Nepali language then you can’t not ask Englishmen to update your book keeping, similarly at that time too looks like bookkeeping used to be in Maithali language.

  

BUT……BUT hey when a winner accepts many things of you then isn’t it the courtesy of yours to accept something from winners? Won'tt hat make win win situation? Where in the world it says that you have to accept everything of a state which lost during the war???

It was the responsibility of the ppl of valley at that time to learn and respect the culture or practice of PNS.

PNS wins and tries to create modern nation by unifying city states which were almost treated as family property at that time. Instead of complaining the Mallas who failed to modernize and used state wealth for their personal use you complain PNS being conqueror doesn’t that sound funny? PNS accepts many things from valley but changes two things language and Sambat you guys complain again. Look what happened to the “badsah” of Delhi, he died in a dungeon in Burma this was the practice of that time.

 

Things changes with time those ppl who changes with time survive who don’t vanish isn’t that the theory of survival of the fittest??

Let me give you some example

 

Sheikh Mohammed Ibrahim and Ganga Dhar  Neharu both were from Kashmir one was muslin another was Brahmin Nehru got their family name from the word Nahar  (canal) they used to live near a Nahar in Kashmir Sheikh remained in Kashmir Neheru family moved to UP. Sheikh families are still holding politics in Kashmir, his son Sheikh Abdullah , grand son Farooq Abdullah and great grand son Omar Abdullah  are known locally only.

Nehru family moved to UP, accepted local culture entered into politics and become world renowned,. His daughter married to a Persian guy called Feroz Gandhi (son of Jehangir Faredoon) he was adopted by Mahatma Gandhi to make it possible to marry Indira Gandhi (Nehru was against Indira marrying a Persian) so, from Persian he became Gandhi  His son Rajiv married to Italian and the present guy is Barun Gandhi and still holding in power. What Barun has in his blood is Nehru/Persian/Italian genes. Which culture he should follow? If he doesn’t follow Persian culture should he be treated like Shantipriya by Persians?? Or should he follow Brahmin culture or if he doesn’t follow Brahmin culture should he be treated like Shantipriya again? Or he should follow Italian culture?? Tell me my friend why those people who move and change frequently according to the need of time survived and rule. Others were either limited locally like Abdulhha or were disappeared.

 

Culture is not only “Jatras” and “bhoj” and “mandirs” culture is also how you behave and how much you respect other culture. Language is for communication but sorry to say that I have found it a common practice among Newars to speak their language even others in the group don’t understand Newari this is very offensive in every western country where we love to immigrate (I know you will be angry with me because looks like you don’t like to listen something not sugary about your language).

Please don’t let your culture control your life. Culture is good only when it helps to flourish you among the international communities but if it holds you back then forget about culture.

Newar kids will not be able to drink alcohol from childhood in few yrs time; I don’t have to tell you the common practice of so called civilized world I think this will be coming within 10-15 yrs in Nepal. Please don’t complain at that time.

BTW why don’t you try to celebrate Bisket jatra in US, drink alcohol and celebrate it all night, who is stopping you “Khas”? US is a free country isn’t it? Try to do that then you will understand how much you have to respect the feelings of a majority.

 

I was in Israel religiously both Muslim and Jews don’t eat pork but still you can buy pork in Israel and in Jerusalem why?? Because there are Christian and they eat Pork,

 

I was in Malaysia, which is a Muslim country by constitution but you can buy pork there and pork farming is also there why?? This is because Chinese live there and they eat pork

 

 In KTM too I envisage that in few yrs time in Ason a meatshop selling Ranga, khasi, kukhura and gai ko masu in the same place. Because in KTM now we have enough christens, Mongolians and Muslims. Cow is no more our national animal and its not good idea to say “mata” to an animal (historical significance of preserving cow for milk is not justifiable any more) so do not complain if you are a Hindu. Change is coming and in the name of your culture you can’t prohibit practices of other cultures.

 

BTW according to our history 300 Muslim families were invited to do business in ktm valley by Ratna Malla, but I don’t see any mosque made during Malla period and were they allowed to slaughter cow or not in Newar culture, if not why?? If yes give me a proof. You are so proud of your culture and feel so much about your culture but what about those Muslims and their practices?

 

Another fact:  I agree, you agree that during early to mid Malla period it was another golden era of Katmandu valley lots of people from different states (non Newars) must have come to valley to enjoy its economic flourish like we do by immigrating to rich countries these days. What happened to their culture why so called rich culture had no place for other cultures? From the previous post there were so many Jhas were invited to ktm valley but why we had to wait democracy to know about “Chhat” why so called culturally rich period had no place for it?? Is there any proof that during Newari cultural climax other cultures were equally respected??

 

One more interesting thing: Do you think that during Newar era everyone who lived in valley were Newars??  Were not there non Newars living? If no give me a proof, if yes what about their culture and why not the culture of other ppl was not allowed to flourish??

 

Why in the middle of “Newar basti” Tamangs have their gods?  Do you know those places?? Do you have any idea why Tamnag places of celebrations were converted in Newar worship places, at that time there was enough empty lands for Malla kings to preserve Tamangs place of celebration and build new places for Newari cultural celebration. You are talking about how so called “khas” destroyed your culture snatched your land but what others are saying about Newars you know, go Tamnag site and read what they are saying.

Yeah I know according to you whatever others say is rewriting the History and whatever you say is  only the truth, may be you are direct descendent of “Udhistar” from Mahabharat.

It is equivalent of saying “what you have achieved is by luck and what I have achieved is by hard work”

 

You complain what  so called “khas” have destroyed Newari culture but look how many temples were destroyed in 1936 earth quake almost all of them were rebuild and I was talking with my relatives according to him most of the temples were renovated in Rajyabhisek. King Birendra spent lots of money renovating those temples.

 

You say so much about Guthis yeah there were Guthis and everything. In fact what happened to most of the Guthi you know?? Before Guthi sasthan was established lots of Newars already converted into personal land in 2019 napi.  It was then when Royal family realized that there are so many lands in the name of Guthi so they created Guthi sansthan. Most of the Guthi land was still being planted by Newars but the Hakims, Royal Palace and Newars combinely conspirated and turn into personal land leaving little land in the name of Guthi. Don’t blame only others, please have enough courage to take some responsibility also.

And don’t ask me from where I know this, you said I only do cut and paste I am not copying and pasting this time but it is written some where you find yourself.

 

Now you may have realized how important is cut and paste, how important is verifying your argument by giving the source. In this case also you could have easily got the source of my information, you had to play smart don’t you. Therefore please don’t try to write something which backfires, be open minded.

And FYI you know what?  My mother organized a campaign to rebuild two small temples in the middle of Newar basti, the Newar community living there are mostly Prdhans and Rajbhandaries. Those two small temples partially collapsed may be around 15 yrs ago in a rainy season and they stayed like that for 5 yrs no one took initiative to rebuild them. They were rebuild in 2002 and now the “shilapatra” bears then name of my father, mother and my sister along with some other donors. And I am very proud of her action. 

 

Every culture /societies have good points as well as bad points you guys are always forward so many good points about Newari culture,  now I challenge you to write some bad points about Newari culture, can you do that??, No culture is perfect you know that ?? 

French culture is also famous for their culinary I was in France we were having dinner with French counterparts as a curtsey I was praising the food and you know what French guy said? He said actually French cuisine is overrated; we decorate our food nicely that’s all. I took it as his modesty. Our culture is this and that “bhandai aru ko culture chaina bhandai  hidne” ? A well cultured person never does that.

  

7. Most of the Newari cultural sites are world heritage

8. A well cultured persons loves his culture and respects others and always tries not to harm other culture
9.  In previous post lots of ppl from Madhes came to live in Katmandu valley but Newari culture engulf them entirely, poor guys call themselves Newars now, tell me how many Newar Jhas, Mishras and and Kayetha’s are there and why Newari cultures rooted out their identity ?

 

The lip-service of calling newah Culture as “NEPALI CULTURE” is being rendered and taken credit for but nothing is done to save it as our national treasure. One wants hand one needs the credit but do not want to care for. What hypocricy!

 

Give me a break nothing is done to save??  Most of the temples are rebuilt many times, declared world heritage sites, official celebration of festivals are nothing?? What I have observed in 2011 tourist year of Nepal is there so many Newari culture sites were advertised but none of them says anything about Janaki temple in Jnakpur why so? We can attract many religious tourists from India and fulfill the shortage of Indian currency but no, mostly Newari sites only. You are right, we need to change the mentality of government officials we should give equal importance to tourist side of every religion not only Newars. Also in History books there used to be so many materials about Shah and Malla kings now as I quoted someone in my previous post we should put material about Simraunghad, Sindhulighadi, Makawanpurghadai and kings of that area. But by doing this history book will be very thick and we will be adding burdens to kids so to make balance we should remove some materials about Shah and Malla kings.

And regarding lip service, what do you expect from others?  They should leave there culture and start to get dissolved in Newari culture?? Like ppl in Malla era did?? Sorry friend ppl don’t do that in republic Nepal, the attention and focus what Newari culture getting is already much more than other cultures in Nepal. As a well cultured person I enjoy many cultures, Newai cultures is one of my favorite. I participate in their festivals enjoy their food and say thank you that is what a person can do.  But if you say LIP service to my and other ppls genuine liking of Newari culture then thank you, we will stop participating and enjoying  it. This is the same attitude of Newari ppl who scared away the customer by saying “Timiley yo kindaina” so they started to by from Madhesi/Indian ppl. Can’t you do better than that?

 

Remember cultures used to be part of the life long ago, these days in every civilization priorities have changed , you may have experienced this in you own family. Today’s norms are different and in this era you are scaring away ppl who like your culture by saying it’s just a LIP service?? What a lame thought. By saying so you are not helping Newari culture but pushing away the ppl who like to participate. Don’t you have common sense or what? By reading your answer I realize that common sense is not common to all.

You can not even understand and differentiate what is genuine and what is fake?

 

May be you are very happy when a white guy comes and does PhD in Newari culture and says something good. But you fail to understand that he is doing so to fulfill his educational commitment. They come not only to Nepal but to many different countries and cultures do PhD and most of them become professor of oriental/Asian culture in universities of their country that’s all. Do you really think they really loved Newari culture?? If yes you must be naïve. Anyone who is studying other culture praises it that’s common thing, general curtsey but to really make your Newar culture vibrant you need your countrymen, don’t forget that.

 

To be truthful if you believe that the ruling elite and their surrogates honestly did nothing to block and stifle its development and well-being then I think we do not understand each other of our grievances and we can never resolve this as you see no fault done. Is this the respect you are talking rendered either by PNS or his fans.

 

In this I don’t blame you. Some ppls brain is quick in capturing negative side. You failed to see positive side and those side means nothing to you then it is your problem not others.

Just to clarify you know what is the sexiest part of human’s body? It is brain my fiend. If the brain doesn’t think about sex other sexual organs in our body will not understand what sex is. Similarly your grievances originates form your brain. If you fail too see positive side then you will have grievances only. Get out of that and try to see positive side then your grievances will go away,

 

I understand that in America people like to call themselves almost Americans, but I also hear that there are Jewish American (not American Jews), Native American, (not American natives) or Asian America (not America Asians) or Mexican American and so on and so forth, do you get the gist? Why is it so in America?

 

What I wanted to say is during the introduction they never say Jewish American for themselves they say American only. An Indian won’t say I am Asian Americans but he will say American. They say Asian American or Mexican American (usually grouped under Latinos). We do that in Nepal too and are a common practice everywhere for census. A Jew guy will always say I am American, and then if you want further classification he will say American Jew but never Jewish American when introducing himself ( I don’t live in US, those guys living in US please correct me if I am wrong)

But you are right in one thing Native American say I am Native American not American native. BUT I had not included this in my previous post.

You see how selfish is your brain, it only sees through a narrow window, broaden the horizon my friend societies are moving faster than you think, don’t be left behind.

 

You, my friend, may keep calling yourself ‘NEPALI” only if you do not know where you have come from, do not have any ancestry, or are you ashamed to call yourself out and say you have no heretage. We Newars are proud of our heritage and want to be called Newar Nepalese ot Newar American in America where the constitution of America supports and acknowledges unlike in Nepal.

 

Yes I will call myself Nepali before anything else and for your information I

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You, my friend, may keep calling yourself ‘NEPALI” only if you do not know where you have come from, do not have any ancestry, or are you ashamed to call yourself out and say you have no heretage. We Newars are proud of our heritage and want to be called Newar Nepalese ot Newar American in America where the constitution of America supports and acknowledges unlike in Nepal.

 

Yes I will call myself Nepali before anything else and for your information I can sacrifice my culture for my country and that is nothing when I compared with the people who sacrificed their life for their country. I have very rich culture we have three Kul debtas and each three represent our culture in different era of our civilization. We know where we come from and we are not ashamed of our ancestry. We have about 1400 yrs of history inside Nepal and of that, 1200 yrs in KTM valley.  Be proud of your heritage as much as you want, you being proud of you heritage doesn’t bother me but please don’t say those who call themselves Nepali first don’t have ancestry or culture.

 

 My suggestion to you is, as people in US and other civilized world say “speak for yourself”  this  is just a suggestion from a fellow Nepali don’t want to accept it, I don’t care, I don’t have control over you nor I have desire to do so.

 

But let me tell you one thing I don’t need achievement of my grand parents or someone before that to identify myself .I am strong enough to identify myself by my deed in present situation. I don’t say “mero bau le peda khako thyo tesaile mero haat basna auchha sung ta” or like Gyandra  “Purkha le Arjey ko muluk” PNS help create modern day Nepal doesn’t mean that Gynandra deserve to rule us, he must prove himself worthy of it. He failed to do so; he lost the crown as simple as that. Likewise your ancestors may have helped develop Newari culture but that doesn’t make you heir of it or that doesn’t automatically makes you well cultured person you know that?? You must proofv in deed that you are really a well cultured person if you can not, please don’t try to cash hard work of your ancestors.

 

One more point, if you are a religious person; for you god created human so god came to KTM valley and said “Newearm utpattium” (sorry I don’t know Sanskrit) and Newars were created. They were Newars from the beginning of their creation. If you don’t like my idea of the god speaking Sanskrit go and complain to the god by saying hey god why you use Sanskrit while creating us or start in another reply saying that god actually spoke Newari language it were “khas” who later introduced Sanskrit as gods language, you are “master of complain”. Personally I don’t believe in religion and don’t care what language god spoke even if they existed.

 

And if you are non religious person like me and believe in theory of evolution then you may be thinking that there was a Newar unicellular organism called amoeba which in millions of years evolved into a Newar ape and which again in millions of years evolved into a Newar human. That’s doesn’t bother me. What bothers me is a person who is proud of is Newari identity doesn’t want to recognize and or remembers his ancestors which were there before Newar civilization. What were your ancestors before Newar civilization you know?? And go on claiming that you were created from Newar amoeba and Newar ape. For you there was nothing before Newar civilization and there will be nothing more than Newari civilization. You know what language you ancestors used to speak before they started to speak Newari language? What festivals they used to celebrate before Newari celebrations came into existence? Newari Language/culture started from the time of BIG bang or what?

 

I went to a website run by Newari group and they claim that Gopal bansi were first Newars which is approximately 2000 yrs ago (while reading that I was wandering what qualifies to become a Newar?) That claim sparkled in me the idea of Newar ape and Newar amoeba and Newari speaking god.  I could have given you the address of the web site but following your idea, no copy and paste. At least they should have respected long dead ppl and leave them to rest in peace not labeling them into certain group, sorry to say that culturally rich group could not show that much decency. And even if Gopal bansi were first Newar Mr. Daboo you should start speaking the language they spoke. What is wrong in celebrating festivals of first Newar and speaking the language of first Newar, you are very respectful of your ancestors aren’t you?

 

Your everything ends up in Newari civilization you even don’t know where Newars originally came from and even if you know you don’t know what were they before becoming Newars? What they were called before they started to call themselves Newar?? May be I am wrong could you enlighten me in this field please? You are claiming that you are proud of you ancestry. Proud of which ancestry?  Only up to the beginning of Newar ancesraty and why not before that?? Were not they  worth to be proud of or what?? Were they cavemen??

 

Regarding calling yourself as American first or Newah American its up to you but don’t be odd man out. I have one idea for you,  I think during next census in US you should declined to be counted as American because first they count you as American then they sub-divide American into different indigenous group so start a campaign in US to change rule of census which counts you first as American then only someone else. Pleases say that if you are counted as American it hurts your pride. You should practice what you believe is right you know, otherwise you will be a hypocrite not me.

 

We Newars wanted to be called Newar Nepalese or Newar Amrican

 

Who gave you the right to speak on-behalf of all Newars?? A lot of other Newars in different posts already suggested that they would like to be Nepali first. You should have curtsey of showing respect to the desire of a fellow Newer. Newar culture doesn’t teaches you that? My friend these days no body believes what you say unless you show that in practice. You failed to show respect to a fellow Newar does that makes you a well cultured person?? Remember culture means not only bhoj and jatra it’s also a behavior

 

Talking of America Democracy is another story, at least the America people are honest enough to acknowledge the contribution of the native Indians, the black Americans and now plethora of new immigrants and cherishes the sense of diversity of the people separately who make the great country of America.
 

 

Yeah I showed you the information that how many Native American languages disappeared during this period and why Native Americans are in reserves? You know how the land was confiscated from natives. I am not copying and pasting here but let me tell you one Native American tribe had big rajya, he in his later stage he was not so aggressive towards whites. He had desire to learn English language so that he can sign his name. Whites taught him basic English taught them how to sign his name and they produced first document in front of him asking him to sign. You know what that document was about? That document was about surrendering his lands to whites. Once he signed the document they say now you gave your land to us and confiscated the land. First kill them, confiscate their land, destroy spoken language, keep them in reserves and later honestly accept their contribution???

If PNS had done same thing and later recognized (may be at after say 50 yrs) about the contribution of Newari cultures in Nepal will that satisfy you?? Was that the correct way?? Pleases think before what you write.  Yeah they accept contribution of black now when do you think a pure black American will be the president of US? Remember Obama is half white, only his father was black and when do you think a Newar American will become President of US?

 

 And when do you think America will officially recognized Newari culture, it’s Jatras and Language? How many times you have celebrated Newari jatras in US? Do you really expect to get a govt. holiday for your festivals? Once I was in Mha Puja celebration they were celebrating one day after the Mha puja in Nepal, they were celebrating on Sunday I asked them isn’t it late to celebrate the mha puja, they said other days we are very busy working, many ppl will be able to take off time only during Sunday afternoon so we were celebrating now. I was guest there I said nothing I watch the celebration eat food and left. I paid 25 dollars for that. You know Mha puja is done according to lunar Calendar following the position of moon? It is not my intention hurt them but to ask a proud Newar what is more dearer money? Life style? or culture?  if they really wanted to celebrate mha puja religiously they need to find out  at what day/time similar lunar position will be in US ? Everyone should have guts to take leave on that day and celebrate the mha puja?? Who is stopping them to do so in US “Khas”? Cultures and religious ceremonies are not joke you know? Why don’t you try to celebrate mha puja like I said next time, or have you even celebrated mha puja when you are in US?

Arabian countries Malasiya also recognize the contribution of cheap Nepali and other south Asian labor you know? US can not survive without the influx of cheap workers from poorer countries. Don’t you read so many posting in kurakani written by Nepali ppl most of the workers how frustrated they are and how their dreams are shattered, yeah yeah I know work is considered great in US and other blah blah, that is the psychological way of sedating the people doing menial job. Work doesn’t matter if you are happy its ok they say what a clever way to make people happy. “Afno desh ma language dekhi harek kura ma complain garni arko ko desh ma gayera kani kuthi uniharu ko language bolni, aani bhai puchni,  gas station ma Indian le pelera rakhda pani khusi huni?”  That’s really great.

 

I remember one real life situation I will try to it without revealing the identity of the people.

I met one Newari couple in a Nepalese gathering in one European country. Wife had an excellent paying job, she was non Newari speaking Newar, husband was from KTM, Newari speaking. I have no idea about type of job he had. There were few other couples too; most of them were in very good position making lots of money. Many of them had placed their kids in expensive private schools, more expensive than some US universities. But that couple had enrolled their only son in a local school which was free. According to father at home he always speaks Newari or local language with his son not Nepali, My silent reaction was its your son I don’t care. I met them again after 4 years. Talked with them. They said they have also enrolled their son also in expensive school my silent reaction oh it took 4 long years to you to realize the mistake. And I asked father you still talk with him in Newari he said yes but his son don’t like his father calling him “Baucha” he said he becomes angry when I say “baucha”  to him.  I said yeah that today’s kids are clever then their parents they want to enjoy new culture.

 

Chinese are in US for more than 200 yrs now when do you think a Chinese American will become President of US? Why don’t you try to find out how many ethnic groups are in US and how many of them represented in US congress and senate?

Just for the shake of debate saying we love our heritage and doing different things in practice makes you hypocrite not me. How many times you have celebrated Indra jatra in US.

From your answer I am assuming that you are in US and plant to be US citizen if you have not done already then Nepal is not your country not according to Nepali present  constitution so don’t try to instigate division in Nepali society .

 

Because of my job I can get easy immigration to US (some of my friends in similar position have done so) but still I am still Nepali citizen, working as a Nepali citizen and have no desire to immigrate to US. I don’t know what will happen in future but till now I want to live with hope I don’t like it when ppl in the name of culture cast race etc knowingly unknowingly trying to instigate division is society.

 

US has wonderful economy (I don’t know what will happen in very near future) even if you do regular menial work you can have car and house and a lifestyle which only very few people can afford in Nepal That is why you are attracted to US, the greed, the lust for easy life.  Fine for me, I don’t care.  Cultural wise you will have more problems in US than in Nepal.  You are chasing the easy life even if you have to leave you culture, language and extended family that makes you what? Don’t play innocent in sajha.

Though English is the widely spoken language in the country, it has the maturity, and the audacity, understanding and consideration not to enforce it and compel it into the constitution as the “Official Language” of the country. In the US you can petition in any language you speak or write it will be accepted in all the offices of the US government. This is the challenge they happily want to take upon and help to overcome so that all feel respected and welcome. Nepal is a different story.

 

It looks rosy in theory isn’t it? Try to do that and when ppl of different language start to do that the processing cost will be very high and you will see the reaction. Or at least they will say hey when you know English why are you creating trouble, and then they will send you the processing cost. Go and do that in Newari language and when govt guy ask tell them in Newari I am sure first he will call police. Just do that once and let us know the reaction. And what about Nepali language isn’t it a widely spoken language in Nepal, census record shows there is highest % of ethnic group are bahuns and chhetris and they speak Nepali so Nepali should be the official language as simple as that.

 

One of the complains by your ethnic group is:  because of Nepali language tests in “Loksheva” they are not able to get govt job. You have the same problem in your new found country, they don’t use your mother tongue in the tests for govt job, and don’t you know that? Then why don’t you start complaining same thing in US. OR its ok for you to learn English and appear in the tests, and your lovely language doesn’t matters to you? what a hypocrite.

 

You can go to other country learn their language and take tests, its ok for you to do that. But in you own country where everyday you can see so many cultural influences from your culture, you can see wonderful buildings from your culture, you can hear many ppl speaking your language and you can see different ppl happily participating in your cultural festivals, where many of your families live, to learn Nepali language is difficult for you? Why double standard?? That makes you what?

 

Just because you have to learn Nepali language you are ready to leave everything?? And you still claim you love your heritage and blah blah what a white lie. Please try to justify your concept with your action.

You know what I was so much interested to read constitution of Panchayet, one day I found it and started to read  In the goal section it was written that “ Soshan rahit samaj ko srijana garnu”  because it is not possible to create a “soshan rahit samaj” ( because of human nature) I started to laugh. Yeah man in theory everything looks so rosy you can say any good things but in practice it’s different exactly like the constitution of Panchayet.

 

Why don’t you try to run for president of USA in 2012 try that and let us know the outcome. You know you are not even allowed to run for president if you are born outside USA even if you are a bonafide American citizen. Unless one of your parent is US citizen at the time of your birth.  You happily gave up that right, left the place where your culture was originated for what??  And still you claim you love your ancestry that not respects my friend that is insult to your ancestors. So all so called first generation USA citizens are not allowed to run for presidency. Don’t you find this law discriminatory against so many ppl? You know some laws are there because there are valid reasons for that?

Now a days Nepal needs “ Nepali huna nasakeka haru hoina ki Nepali huna chahaney haru”

 

 

You may cut and paste as many articles and writings from the web as you wish but I also know that there are enough stray writers who wants to re-write history. King Mahendra tried to do during that during the Panchayat Kaleen and failed miserably. It is not important wah tthey think and write. Important is what you and I think of the present situation today at this moment and how we start to understand everybody around us and try to do justice for all the wrongs that has been done to the suppressed, oppressed people and cultures of Nepal by the ruling elite at various stages of the history of Nepal (Not NEPALI_HISTORY as you may think and say). There is a big difference in these two phrases. Choose your words well before you pass any judgments.       

 

Yeah it you only who has feelings, its you only who writes the truth, its you only who speaks the truth, it’s your culture which is great, its your culture only which is suppressed/oppressed.

When other ppl try to express their feelings “they are stray and trying to rewrite the history” everything is about you and your culture. Feelings of ppl from other culture has no meaning to you and yeah we need to correct what “khas” did to Newar culture but Newar culture was started from bushmen without any culture. Newari culture has not destroyed any other culture.

In Lichhabi era there was no culture, Lichhabi didn’t built anything, and example of Lichhabi era temple is “Changu Narayen” why we find very little things from Lichhabi Era.  If Malla kings were so culturally rich why didn’t they preserve the culture of Lichhabi Era. What happened to the festivals of Likchhabi Era was not it converted to Newari fetivals? Can you name some of the festivals started as LIchhabi festivals and ended up being Newari festivals?

May be it never striked in your mind how come temples in Malla era and Lichhabi era are so similar after looking at Changu narayen mandir, who was the architecture? ppl know the designer of great pyramid and many great buildings in Roman era but all the buildings and temples in Malla era was build by kings. For example “Raja Siddhi Narasimha Malla le Patan ko Krishna mandir banaye,” no body knows who was the designer of that building? What a way to pay respect to a creative mind. Similarly who designed famous “Nhyata pole” only the name of king not that of designer, that is not justice to the designer is it?

 

Excellent examples of Buddhist art of the Lichhabi period are the half-sunken Buddha in Pashupatinath, the sleeping Vishnu in Budhanilkantha, and the statue of Buddha and the various representations of Vishnu in Changu Narayan.

 

KTM valley had influx of people from different part India/Nepal. Some people even say Jyapus are Lichhabis after the Malla overtook the Lichhabi,  Lichhabi ppl were forcibly converted into lower class and forced to do farming while Newars were just collect the harvest build nice buildings ( using Jyapus as workers off course) , temples and organize many entertaining activities (Jatras) . Why Jyapus have khets. At that time job of Jypaus were to plant farm collect harvest and give it to the Mallas. Later when so called “khas” came to KTM valley they followed the same path, that’s why loads of “khet” ended up with Jyapus.

 

Otherwise tell me why Jyapus are considered lower grade ppl in Newari, no don’t say we don’t do that, I know it very well because my ancestral house is in Newari basti in KTM. So I know the practices. Why in Newari culture Jyapus were not allowed to marry Shrestha or Pradhan or Rajbhandari, tell me, what was the crime of Jyapus?? Why the word Jyapu used to be a derogatory word in Newari culture?? As far I understand Jyapus have not betrayed Malla kings, they were not considered as involved in criminal activities. Or simply they were considered lower grade just because they were doing hard work, like planting farms, construction workers etc? If so why an advance culture had no respect for the people who were doing hard work?? Does my raising these questions hurts you?  Why in republic Nepal Jyapus are trying to organize different groups, why you guys can not accommodate Jyapus even though you speak same language and celebrate same festivals? If you don’t know this you are far from reality my friend, yeah you can say I am trying to rewrite the history or blame “Khas” for this too; it’s all “Khas” policy of divide and rule. Yope everything good is yours, all problems, weakness and short comings are created by others, great thinking.

 

Later Jyapus were made Newars. Otherwise where are the Lichhabis now? Where are they? How they disappeared from KTM where as their cultures (Matsyandra nath jatra, etc) are still there. Why Lichhabi cultural heritage are outside the core of the city for examples are Changu Narayan, Palanchowk Bhagbati and Bung dyo in Bungmati and Budanil kantha. Why a story was created and kings were stopped visiting Budanilkantah based on that story?  Why there is unseen tension between so called Newars and Jyapus what is the reason? What were the family names of Lichhabi ppl?  Why we don’t recognize them now?  Why Lichhabi were not able keep intact their identity? Why Newari cultures speak so much about their cultures but speak nothing about the rulers who were ruling KTM before them and their cultures? Do you know what language ppl of KTM valley use to speak before Newari ? Were not those your ancestors too?  don’t you have any respect for the language your ancestors spoke at that time?  If not why not?

 

In history there is mention of Kailashkut Bhaban capable of accommodating 10,000 ppl why Malla didn’t try to preserve the site where Kailshkut Bhaban was? Or was it just a myth?

When you blame other culture don’t you think that your own culture has to pass the acid test? Or you think your cultures is above everything like King was mentioned “above constitution” in Panchayet constitution.

Please don’t act like Bin Laden, who can see only Islam but nothing else. Who wants every culture bow to Islamic culture but shows no respect for any other culture, aren’t you finding similarities here. Bin Laden also says he is Muslim first then only anything else.  You decide yourself.

When the cultures have ppl like you they don’t need any outsiders for their demise, your type of thought is more than enough to destroy Newari culture.