No voices were raised against 'Nepal being a Hindu country ' in any of the peoples movement in Nepal. Then why these bloody politicians decides to amend the constitution to make Nepal a secular state? I am pretty much sure if people were informed that the Jan Andolan would make the country a secular one, the streets of Kathmandu would not have been flooded with people during the Aandolan..
Politicians talk of respecting people's voice. They then do not have the right to amend the constitution to make a decision on the matter that was not voiced by people. There was nothing wrong with Nepal as Hindu country...If we want to change this, there should be referendum for that. Bloody politicians, killers do not deserve any right to decide against people's aspiration.
Hinduism basically is not the religion, its a culture. It respects all religions...we never had any religious dispute in the country. When things were going smoothly with that whywas the need for change?

Blaming buddhists of afganistan and pakistan for converting into islam is a sheer ignorance. They were the one who came first on the way of advancing muslims, than hindus from deep south india. They were the one who faced the full fledged wrath of islam. If hindus were in that situation, hindus would have faced the same consequences.

Birbhadra, if buddhists were all docile and non-violent, then what religion is the origin of different forms of martial arts, not hinduism as far as I know. Following Buddhism doesnot mean being Buddha, we as a human being its not practical to be Buddha, we incorporate teachings of Buddha as much as we can, but I respect those who can follow to the core.

I feel stupid talking about religion, The core question was IF SECULARISM IS GOOD OR BAD ??? Secularism is the basic tenet of republicanism. If we are not ready for secularism, we are not ready for democracy either. Waiting is all we can do, until the new generation will come up renouncing extremism. If not continue to live as we are and we were.

सागर मन्थन गर्दा त बिष निस्केको थियो भने, democracy comes with secularism, majority has to take it, just as bhagwan shiva took it. If no, fight for autocracy, which is good for majority by all means.

dummy ritthe

Islam is completely other side of coin, I don't want to go into it, Religion is their country, religion is their way of life .......... everything is relegion to them ....... for majority........ We are not like that, we can go off our belief to some extent.

My questions to all the intellectuals here on this thread.
How come now Buddhists are being blamed for the fear of Islam taking over the country? It’s your leaders, present and pass, who gave citizenship to all the Indian and now they’ve multiplied like flies. Out of control. You know we have and will never create problem with you. Bark at the right person if you’re so scared.
Peace be with you.

birbhadra u didn't get my point. If u become fundamentalist. It will create more fundamentalists. These fundamentalists will create even more fundamentalists which is the path of human destruction.Instead of living in peace and harmony and respect each other it will create hatred.Hatred will destroy all. All I know is Sunnis and Shias they are father in law and son in law and they are both muslims. But why they are killing each other? Because religion made they blind and they think one is not good enough muslim so that it is ok to kill. When we see them they both are muslim.It may happen in hinduism too. In christinity the evangalist(baptists) think they are true christian and they make fun of catholic.

US christian people are very religious. In other word they are fundamentalists too. They just don't give that connatation to themselves.If you ask right_wing conservative christains they will say it is ok to kill muslims. What do you think Bush is? Do you read 911 report book where he said to one of his friend that he is there to rule because of God's will. God talks to him. what do you think Tom Delay? Who believes bible needs to taught in school mandatorily and scienctific evolution is bullshit. How about Ted Haggerd who preach 30 million people?

Good thing about US people is they respect all the religion and allow to practice whatever people want to.

I don't care what you guys think, but Nepal must/should remain as a HINDU nation. No matter what!

so, how about Nepalese? Do we have a data on this issue. How many Nepalese want Nepal to be a Hindu country and what percentage does not? Although you guys do go in circles at times, all of you have raised a few vaild points, if not more. Maybe you guys are trying too hard to prove your own point, so you guys (IMI, samir, Jassus) all have gone over the top at times.
80% population is Hindu. But what percentage want Nepal to be a Hindu Kingdom? Democracy ma public opinion ko mahatwa ta huncha ni haina?

Yeh!
Nepal was a secular nation earlier....its no more! When there are chances of increased racial and ethnic disturbances, the secularism will exist just on a paper!

I agree!

democracy ma public opinion ko mahatwa huncha, pakkai pani huncha ...... but there are certain fundamental requirements that needs to be fulfilled for a system to be democratic where referendum doesnot work.

I believe 40% le secularism magcha hola, tara equal treatment garne kura ma voting ko ke mahatwa ???, yo ta afai bujhnu parne kura ho ........... democracy ko matlab ke ho ??? democracy bhaneko majority ko lagi haina ni ??? Minor lai hak adhikar dinu ra, sara janata lai saman treat garnu lai democracy bhanincha. jabo yetro sano kura ma ta danga hola bhanera anuman garnu parne sthiti cha bhane, aru adhikaar haru ke asha garna sakincha yo kathit democracy bata ??? Rome was ruled by mob haina Nepal is ruled by mob bhane huncha aba dekhi.

ritthe_jasus, dude, Nepal is indirectly ruled by politican of India.

raja, yo ahile haina pahile dekhi nai ho.

you represent the voice of india dude, coz its all fundamentalist indians who is asking to retain word Hindu.

Thats what I am saying dude. We need to come out of that.

We used to say, Nepal is the melting pot of Hinduism and Buddhism, there is harmony between all the religions ......... where is that now ??? Was the harmony there all because Nepal was Hindu ??? ...... Now that country is becoming secular, where did that harmony disappear ??? ....... Now I know there was no harmony ........ as long as it went ur way, u were happy ..... now when the time came to lose something, people started showing real colors. What I am not being able to understand is ........ people are dying in the name of democracy ........ what kind of democracy are they asking for ...... is that to be ruled my the majority in every aspect of life, taking away the basic rights of minorities ???

jasus ji, "democracy bhaneko majority ko lagi haina ni ??? Minor lai hak adhikar dinu ra, sara janata lai saman treat garnu lai democracy bhanincha."
democracy bhaneko majority ko lagi haina. it is,as some one said, of the people, by the people, for the people. tara who are the people? the ones who vote. in democracy, agenda is set and which agenda bhanne kura majority le influence garcha for sure.
minority lai adhikar dine.. sara janata lai saman treat garne system democracy haina.. tyesto agenda democracy is push chai garna sakcha.. tara sytem ko defining point tyo haina. defining thing of democracy is vote.. vote for agendas..
sabai lai samanta and equality ta communism le garcha theory ma by eliminating class structure vis-a-vis getting rid of religion, private property, and even family among others. in the history of humankind, yesto system aayeko chaina.. tara long ago..long ago.. long ago before all this hindu-buddhist bullshit.. before people started agriculture, people lived under semi-normadic to normadic egalitarian society where praya sabai people experienced same amount of social prestige and favors. tara it is long long time before.. before wheels were invented before the first words were written before first mantra was read. anyways, i was just trying to know how many nepalese want nepal to be a secular state. you say 40% jassus ji. can u also provide the source for ur data?
personally, i couldn't careless.. Hindu or non-hindu.. don't make no difference to me. khas ma ta kasai ko life ma tyesto changes ta aaucha jasto lagdaina if we become hindu or non-hindu nation.. symbolic kura ho yo.. a few rules will change.. gai marera kohi manche jail jadaina.. and that is a good thing about this secular part of discussion..tara nepali people ko voices should be heard, either way.

Livewire,

aba 40% kina huncha source lyau bhanchau bhane no point in discussion ....... voting nai bhayeko chaina kahan bata source lyaune ??? u tell me kati le support garcha and give me reliable source too with proof ......... can you ???

yedi democracy ko meaning to be ruled by mob ho bhane, what is difference betwn autocracy and democracy in the context of nepal. KING was the part of majority by all means ...... why do we need to get rid of KING if we still want to be ruled by mob ??? Democracy ko artha tapai le nabujheko ho ki maile nabujheko thaha bhayena tara ........ what is worth dying for democracy then if it brings no good to minorities ???, isn't it a form of dictatorship by majority ...... majority le naramro lai ramro bhancha bhane ramro nai hune bhayo haina tyaso bhaye democracy ma ??? Hitler is the father if democracy who got rid of minority jews, is that fair in democracy ???

majority will realize in due course that it is best to understand the plight of minorities. they will understand majority+majority----> better society... better results.. rather than majority alone.. ho democracy bhaneko dictatorship of majority nai ho.. tyesaile there is the governing party and the rest are in opposition. jasko agenda lai janata le sahamat dekhaucha that party rules and forwards those agendas.. if it does not then the voters will choose someone else.. this is true in case of democracy, atleast in theory.. there are a few examples as well.. tara rule ta dherai vote paaune kai huncha.. tyo majority kai kura garda politicians will also understand including the minoirty will increase their vote.. ra in due process their voice will be heard too.. more and more voices tara praya decisions ma ta tyo majority ko agenda nai agadi huncha.. also, many times majority+minority ko agenda similar paani huncha jasto better education, better jobs.. these agendas don't see majority or minority in general..
jassus ji, hilter was not democratic. he was an autocrat. get that right too... kunai paani democracy ko suru ma or process ma minorities have never set an agenda.. ho overall agenda bhitra minority paani include huna sakcha.. mob rule is not democratic because it does not allow new/opposing/novel ideas to discussed in public forum.. censor huncha.. as i said before democratic sytem ma different points of view can be set as an agenda. aaja democracy cha ra na let nepal be secular state bhanne notion aayo aani pass paani bhayo kyare.. aasti king ko rule ma yo different idea aaune chance thiyo? no thiyena.. that is democratic system is different from autocratic and mob system.. weather a notion gets the public approval that is different kura.. tara democratic forum ma kura ta nikliyo.. idea ta aayo.. approval disapproval should be and is usually left for the voters..
jaasus ji democracy bare malae nai ali dherai idea cha jasto lagyo although yaha le gareko kura lai maile totally disagree ta gareko chaina.. aani i have no idea what the figure is that is why i was asking u and others too.. so how did u come up with 40%?

sorry majority+minority-----> better society , better results.. rather than majority alone

live_wire,

yedi yaha le bhaneko jasto democracy follow garne ho bhane, Hitler lai kina democratic bhanna mildaina, he had a full support of majority nazis ....... ani majority rules ko nai kura garne ho bhane, sabai democratic desh ko national religion hunthyo ....... US would still have slavery. What good is in democracy then ??? Majority sanga common interest matra pura hune, minority ko valid rights haru pani majority sanga clash huncha bhane napaune or thro voting process ma janu parne .. in another word does it mean minorities have to live in the majorities' mercy ??? ........ do you call that a good system ??? What does freedom mean in democratic term then ??? Is freedom alm given by majority to minority ??? Are we fighting for autocratic democracy ??? I don't see any difference ...... only process is different, but both leads to the same conclusion.

I thought Nepal have some rational people too who would go for secularism, thats why 40% was just my wild guess..... Personally I don't care if it remains hindu or secular ........ but going thro this process, it has opened my eyes .... so called "harmony" is just a myth, I have seen how hardlined hindus can be when it comes to losing mere words.

Hindu Nation since the beginning
Hindu King (Shahs...)
Hindu wants Democracy (BP Koirala)
Hindu Leaders (Giri-Ja)
Hindu start Maoist (Prachanda....)
Hindu leaders declare Secular

OK...I as a Buddhist, where did I do wrong? Why do you blame me now?