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Posted on 01-18-14 3:25 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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India is developing in such a fast pace that by 2030, the standard of average Indians will sky-rocket. While their neighboring country Nepal is running downhill where political leaders have no agenda for future developments. If this trend of running downhill continues in Nepal, I fear Nepal will be as like Mexico is to America, a burden. These are latest developments in India:













 
Posted on 01-18-14 9:01 PM     [Snapshot: 261]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Mehico is a burden to the US? That's news to me...
 
Posted on 01-18-14 9:08 PM     [Snapshot: 272]     Reply [Subscribe]
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What makes you think India is doing so well? Posting few pictures is not telling anything. Google mexico city and take a look. Carlos Slim is a mexican. India has as many problem as mexico in a different way. Central and South America is developing at a rate as India. And they are blessed, their population is far lower than India.
 
Posted on 01-18-14 9:14 PM     [Snapshot: 284]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Ujl , I believe due to political instability Nepal is headed to be failed nation.
But I dont support your another point , few infrastructure of India doesnt tell whole picture of it. Except few cities whole India is trash.

 
Posted on 01-18-14 10:29 PM     [Snapshot: 322]     Reply [Subscribe]
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I am comparing Mexico with America not with India, and I am comparing Nepal with India. I totally agree that India has a long way to go but India is moving in a fast pace! They are having big ideas and that matters. Development is not achieved overnight. Corruption is rampant in India but also remember when a country becomes economically powerful, the problem of corruption and many other problems starts fading away. Comparing Nepal and India, whose economy is more powerful? The problem of load-shedding in Nepal was not the result of overnight problem but was the result of long term corruption involved within Nepal Electricity Authority. It is a shame that Nepal which is full of resources has to go through 17-18 hours of load shedding.

Any sustainable development needs long term planning, patience and mainly quality education to all its citizens. Whatever we see outside is the result of our thoughts. India possess nuclear weapon, they have space program, and many universities in India are ranked as world class institution. This is a good start for India which was ruled by British for hundred years. Many Indian graduates are returning back to India because there are jobs in India. But Nepal is not been able to create jobs.  If this trend countinues India will move to that level where it will become very hard for Nepal to catch up.

We Nepalese boast about our Khukuri. This is the era of Nuclear Weapon!

Also, the development of India will be very different comparing to USA because of the influence of Vedic heritage in India. During Bharat Barsha, India never envaded any country.

@riddle, I used the word burden because Mexico is creating  many problems within the US. If France was the neighboring country of USA, the situation would have been completely different.


 
Posted on 01-19-14 2:58 AM     [Snapshot: 448]     Reply [Subscribe]
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https://www.google.com/search?q=mexico+city&espv=210&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=NJPbUpn8BMi82gW7r4DoCQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=955



"Also, the development of India will be very different comparing to USA because of the influence of Vedic heritage in India. During Bharat Barsha, India never envaded any country."
I've heard donkeys come up with better reasoning than this. Wow..man, Wow.



 
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Posted on 01-19-14 3:12 AM     [Snapshot: 461]     Reply [Subscribe]
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65 million Indians still live in the slums and Mexico has lost more than 100,000 people in drug war. Nepal is in far better place than India and Mexico.
 
Posted on 01-19-14 7:25 AM     [Snapshot: 524]     Reply [Subscribe]
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if i travel to southern border of Nepal i feel the other way around.I feel India as Mexico and Nepal as US because lots of Indians come to Nepal (in our case legally because of open border) to work as barbers,khali sisi bottle(i have no English term for this) and labors (mostly for building houses). Indian side of the border is crowded and trash with full of crimes whereas Nepal's side of border is relatively clean,less populated and free of crimes.
One of my teacher who happened to be a Nepali from Darjeeling told me.If all hobos of India decide to come to Nepal we Nepalese will have no place to live.
One more point,just for fun.We are towards the North like US and India is South like Mexico.
I don't mean to say Nepal is developed like US.We cannot compare two countries with the ratio of some other two countries.

 
Posted on 01-19-14 12:54 PM     [Snapshot: 666]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Please bear in mind that I am not just talking about present India or present Nepal. This is a future prediction. I may be wrong but there is a clear indication where both countries (India and Nepal) are heading towards. America didn't became America overnight. It was their thoughts and hard work that shaped present America. Champak 123, I totally agree that Indian side of border is filthy comparing to Nepal side of border. It's more peaceful too. But how long will it stay the same is the matter of question here.
Today's thoughts shapes tomorrow's future. Nepal is running downhill and India is moving uphill.

@Vootee... भाषाको प्रयोग गर्दा अलि सभ्य हुन सिक्ने हो कि?


 
Posted on 01-19-14 5:26 PM     [Snapshot: 798]     Reply [Subscribe]
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I have posted a thread few months back about few of the ongoing and pipeline projects of Nepal that can transform Nepal to mid-leveled developed countries of Asia like Vietnam and Burma in initial phase of completion and revenue, human resource and technology thus generated after few years can transform Nepal to countries like Thailand and Malaysia. Few of these projects to be named are:
1) Sikta, Babai & Kankai Irrigation Project
2) Upper Karnali, Upper Arun, West Seti, Budhi Gandaki, Upper Tamakoshi, Sunkoshi Hydro power projects
3) Mid-Hill Highway, Kathmandu-Terai Fast track, Kathmandu-Hetauda Fast track, North-South Corridors
4) Decentralization of population from Kathmandu and Terai region to Hilly Cities located on vicinity of Mid-Hill highway
5) Nijgadh International airport, Vairabha & Pokhara regional airport
6) Melamchi water project
7) Developing Lumbini as Mecca/Madina/Vatican of Buddhists
8) Road expansion in Kathmandu and big cities of Nepal
9) Commercial/sustainable farming of green vegetables, seasonal fruits, herbs, dairy products, cash crops and grains suitable according to the places/regions
10) Managing government/regional hospitals according to the Dhulikhel Community Hospital model and making sure each districts have at least 5 such hospitals
11) Solar/Wind power generation in Upper Himalayan and upper mountainous regions where it is not feasible to connect national grid.
12) Promoting eco/religious/rural/local tourism
13) Transformation of government schools and colleges based on community management and banning politics on-campus other than student's association formed to take care of student's issues/problems

 
Posted on 01-20-14 12:20 AM     [Snapshot: 959]     Reply [Subscribe]
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@ujl
Can you enlighten me with your Vedic theory that will be the factor to make India different than USA? I'm super excited to read what it is. Regarding language, what was the problem? I didn't use any offensive words.

Here are some pictures of mexico city. If posting some bus, street and some train makes India way ahead of us, then Mexico might even be better than India in many cases. FYI, Mexico is not what you see and hear on FOX news.










 
Posted on 01-20-14 7:01 AM     [Snapshot: 1032]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Mexico, is one the booming economy right now along with India, China, Brazil along with few other countries. Mexico have huge resources, they have just started drilling oil. Mexico is getting better everyday. Ofcourse it has some problems, but that can be easily handled, if US shows some real desire.

May be the thing is US is problem for Mexico, then Mexico being problem for US. It's because US was not able to control drugs sold in street, Mexico is suffering huge flow of black cash which cartel use to fight against Mexican authority. Cartel from all over the world make Mexico as gateway to billions of drug market, and Mexico have to use its resource to fight against it , rather then spending resource on other stuff. Now one more thing is popping up, because US, can't control it's unregulated workforce within US, human trafficker all over world are using mexico as it pathway to US. Now just because Mexico has border to US, it has to spend huge resource and life's fighting these cartel and traffickers.

So, the basic concept that always poor or undeveloped country is problem to its rich neighbour is completely flawed.

Regarding Nepal , it will get better, but we are loosing time, when whole world is moving very fast right now, we are stuck on this mess. 10-15 years of very good governance can easily transform Nepal. But problem is with people , we haven't even elected one party with majority to run government for years , how can there be stability.
 
Posted on 01-20-14 8:25 AM     [Snapshot: 1063]     Reply [Subscribe]
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I'm not quite sure what Ujl is basing his prediction upon. Overdose of Vedas, I'm guessing.
 
Posted on 01-20-14 8:54 AM     [Snapshot: 1071]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Good question riddle. I do see India is trying very hard and doing a lot of things right. But it's important to consider like what other posters said above. Misery associated with the traditional culture of corruption/religious dogmas/social hierarchy will significantly weigh down India's flight for a long time.

Chest thumping patriotism or desire to feel better about themselves is very strong in India especially due to their history of 'gulami'. When sensation-fueling Indian media cater nothing but 'mera bharat mahan', it is difficult for some naive minds not to be single tracked to whatever they feed rather than pondering what else is/could be out there.

Especially, the India's current stand against the US and overblown by Indian news media really fuels those simple minds to conclude that 'oh my god India is really the super power in every thing'. And perhaps they start noticing ONLY the flattery pictures, the growth..the Ambanis...etc..not the complete picture.
 
Posted on 01-20-14 9:16 AM     [Snapshot: 1095]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Possibilities r high.... One day India will ask for visa for Nepalese to enter India & Nepalese might ve to cross border like Mexican do everyday to come & work in US. Nepal 'll b like dark under the lighting Candle. Hate it or like it -its da reality, unless otherwise some can change....
 
Posted on 01-20-14 9:44 AM     [Snapshot: 1111]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Nice to see we all being engaged in such type of discussions. But, you know what it is a lot easier to sit down on your chair, turn on your laptop and start criticizing politicians, and making all sorts of comparision when you know that the real person who can contribute for a change is us (sorry for a lobg sentence). Yes, "WE" are highly educated than an average Nepali and are qualified for a position that can change the structure of our nation. But instead we choose to discuss about our nation in an online forum, or a party and then when we wake up the next day some of us forget about it, some of us still have hangover to overcome from, and some of us go back to work just like any other day to work for our Indian owners (not criticizing or hating them in anyway though).

All this being said, I also become one of us who sits behind the curtains and gives suggestions. But, I am not going to be just that guy. I have 2 more semesters to complete my masters, and then I am going back home. I have made my decision ( and I hope you all support that)...I know it will be a huge struggle to start over. I know my personal life could be a big failure. But, I do not care about that any more. I will do whatever I can to contribute..may it be joining NGOs, schools, or even a political party. The only thing that matters to me right now is taking this step. If I donot take a first step, I can not think of reaching my destination.

I know I might get few respects and supports, and a lot of bashes for being an emotional fool. But, I have already made my mind and my decision will not change.

I love my country and I think...I think its good to die in your own country trying to make some change than in a foreign soil...after all we all are going to die one day.

Respect to all sajha brothers!!
 
Posted on 01-20-14 11:22 AM     [Snapshot: 1187]     Reply [Subscribe]
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time to update the nationalism...fun read here..



Monday, November 4, 2013

Updating the Nationalism

 
The talks and debate of nationalism and patriotic ideas are soaring as high as Mt. Everest and can be seen all over the Nepali circle in various social media. Though migrating to different destinations have become synonymous of going-to-the-office, there are still some patriots who condemn this practice. While Anuradha Koirala and Pushpa Basnet won million hearts with ‘CNN Hero of the Year’ award, while Prabal Gurung’s designs decorates famous female personalities, the sad news of death of the Nepali workers at the gulf countries building roads and stadiums punctures our soul. These are the diversities of success and pain Nepali immigration faces.
Few years back, my friend asked me on Facebook chat if I would work in grocery store if I was in Nepal. I had answered him that if it would help me pay the semester fee, car costs, insurance, phone bill and shared apartment costs just like it does in US, then I would. Although, the chat ended with “nice talking to you” note, it had left questioning. I, and on the behalf of everybody that has left home for any purposes, apologize to my friends strolling the streets back home. We are sorry for not being there when ‘our country needs us the most.’
For a small country like Nepal; the whole length of the country less than 1000 kilometers, I believe the young hands present in Nepal should be able to irrigate a change. Since they advocate the possible changes, why not lead by example so that we migrants can follow? I do realize the power of united, strong teamwork. But then we are already the so called traitors that deserted Nepal.
Recently, Nepalese community claims to have evolved to appreciate labor and embrace the equality of every form of it. Often plagued by the culture of comparing our achievements with friends and neighbors, for decades we have only worshiped the white-collar jobs. The blues of leaving Nepal can be heard, seen, or often read all over the online Nepali community. If I have to summarize the content of a poem I recently read on a popular blog online, it was “I had a respected social lifestyle in Nepal, now I pitifully tussle with the cash register in a gas station. I miss my hills, streams, peace and friends where as I do tedious work in US.” I- miss-home verses have become generic and overused. As soon as we are done celebrating labor, we are furious at our minimum wages jobs in foreign nations. Such hypocrisy nauseates me.
Even one of the greatest nations like America got founded by immigrants, people taking risks to create a better life for their families and future generations. I just hope we can keep pressing on towards this goal, and not just back-slide to the same condition that our fore-fathers tried to stave off. Everything is cyclical, though - there is no escaping the unending march of failure and progress. We just have to try and make sure we are on the right track.
I will not wander the streets wielding Khukuri to cement my patriotism. Sorry. A big Nepalese flag in the living room does not guarantee your nationalism. Spamming social media with “Buddha was born in Nepal” does not make you a die-hard Nepali fan. In addition, bashing India and using derogative terms like “dhotis” with foul language on YouTube comments should not make you feel proud for defending Nepali nationality. Winning India in occasional SAFF games should be not our ultimate victory. Also, wearing a handmade “Nepal” embroidered t-shirt cannot merely preserve the patriotism.
In this innovative era, stretching our horizon and thinking beyond the borders is cool. It might sound like a far-fetched task for a fellow Nepali when the country’s development is still in its infancy. But in today’s era social media has emerged as a pair of scissors that trims the barriers and shrinks the world into a global village. Our ideas, thoughts, high-spirits, actions and love should not stop at the borders but crush them. Communication and involvement has never been so easier. I can read Tsering’s blog from Namche Bazaar sipping a hand grenade in Bourbon Street in New Orleans. From any end of the road, from any corner of the world and from every walk of life, we can do something that allows us to invigorate mankind. Similarly, duty to motherland can be fulfilled from anywhere. But again, why not cultivate our minds to raise it beyond the social barriers and pave way for greater ideas and begin to think in terms of global citizens? Are not we already capable to do that?
With plethora of social media, it is so easier to be heard, listen, watch and show. This is a generation of ideas, inventions and concepts, and high time for every one of us to come out of our cocoon, execute a positive change.
For few first steps, how about getting nominated or winning Oscars for Best movie in foreign language? Can we market Madal as an interesting musical instrument in foreign musical arenas? Or how about developing local tourism in your hometown? Have we tried exploring newer tourist destinations other than Pokhara and surroundings? How long should we wait to give our mouth some rest and exercise creativity? Can’t our thoughts soar as high as our mountains?
The crucial question that yields every time I see a fellow Nepali taking pride in birthplace of Buddha or Mt. Everest is “Are not we done embarrassing ourselves?”



Credit:
http://nshrestha116.blogspot.com/2013/11/updating-nationalism.html
 
Posted on 01-20-14 12:51 PM     [Snapshot: 1219]     Reply [Subscribe]
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@ Nero....that was a nice read. I enjoyed it. It is time to update our aggressive tribal mentality and move towards creative intelligence.
@Vhootee... Development is not just about materiality. Inner awareness plays extremely important role in sustainable development. The developments in USA are amazing but USA is also adopting exploitation of poor countries and countries where government is lax. For example: Wal-Mart. Would you like to go to China and work in an assembly line? I guess not. Science has made humans powerful but it is of no use if we don't know how to use it for the benefits of all humanity. This is where Vedas comes into play. Vedas teaches how to bring about behavior that are in coherence with total natural law. For how long will America sustain this consumerism? America will collapse soon because this planet cannot sustain this kind of extreme consumerism. India, on the other hand, because of Vedic influence is trying to create an environment that not just only focus on materialism but also in our relationship with the entire cosmos. America is all about results but India is about result + result's harmonious relationship with all individuals and cosmos. Wal-Mart is still not been able to open its chain in India!

All readers, I am not saying that Mexico is a trash. There is no doubt that Mexico is a developing country like India. I am just trying to bring about an idea that big fish always eat small fish. Therefore, Nepal must move forward not by aggressive tribal mentality but by bringing creative intelligence.
 
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@ujl
Wow, wow. I'm impressed. You seem to have lots of 'book' knowledge, but little real world experience. I don't even know where to start. Let me give it a shot.
 
It's obvious that you have religious inclination and think vedic people will make a better society. India and 'sustainability' should not be put in a same sentence, let along discuss about it. If they so intertwined with 'cosmos' according to their vedic belief, why do you think they have a billion + (that is with a 'b') people? How is that sustainable? FYI, more people means 'LESS SUSTAINABLE' if that logic will ever make sense to you. And you say Indians are/will NOT be empowered in consumerism. Let me be wake you up, it is because they are poor, not because they care so much about the environment. Give them a chance to get rich, they will be the most consumerism society in the world, hands down. They will eat like a starving dog. You really thing Indian people follow veda to live their life in harmony, cosmos and peace? Please tell me what type of drugs you are smoking. Vedic belief is good only in the book, it has been abandoned by its own people for hunderds of years.Why? It is not practical, simply as that. I don't know which part of India did you see that was so in peace with harmony, but the one I know of is a very materialistic, show off, lavishness, takes every opportunity to consume Western, have no regard to environment (that is a foreign language to most Indians).
 
You seem to think you understand America by giving an example of Walmart. Let me assure you, you need to dig a lot dipper and stop relying on TV to understand Americans and their view about consumerism, cosmos, harmony and peace. America has 300+ million people, a third of India, and it is bigger than India. I accept Americans are wasteful, or at-least has been in the past. But things are changing. When they do change, they elect a black president, ie they take it to another level. They are in the for front of alternative sustainable energy, they are creating laws and enforcing (yea, it really happens) major auto makers to create high fuel efficiency vehicles. Every major cities are proactively pushing the 'green' theme and spending million of $ to make it happen. Cities are avoiding plastic bag, enforcing recyclable containers and bag. Overall, slowly Americans are becoming more green at a rapid pace. 
 
If you haven't had a chance to live with an American, please do that. They consume, but they are also a major 'recycling' culture. Every house hold has a 'blue' trash can and they don't mind recycling their waste. It used to be bottles and cans, but now even certain plastics, clothes and food waste are allowed to be dumped in the blue trash can. School teach kids to recycle and they carry on the value as they grow up. It is in the DNA of Americans who are born after the 80's. Know the difference between America (capitalism and corporation) and Americans. You'll see America on TV and magazines, but not everyday Americans.
 
How many Indians do that in India? I've had many Indian friends and from all the experience that I had with them, they are some of the least environment friendly people. Most of my educated Indian friends are only worried about success, money and status, eco-friendly is least of their concern. I might be wrong, but it gives me a general idea what happened when they were raised back in India.
 
Regarding America exploiting weaker nations. Do you really think India will not or is not doing it right now. I, as a Nepali, feel like they have exploited us. I can only imagine when they get more powerful. Every civilization has and will exploit the weak, it has been from the beginning of the time. 
 
Walmart has not been able to come to India is all political, you make it sound as if they did it our of their consciousness. Trust me, there is a Walmart version of India in India on every aspect of daily life back there, we simply don't hear about it on the news. You make it sound like as if there is no franchise in India, which you know it not true. Walmart will come to India, may be not now, but eventually (I'll bet you on this). They will need it more than the Americans, think about it.
 
So your vedic analysis of how it is or will be in India is so flawed that I'll suggest you NOT to mention in any discussion in the future, just a honest suggestion from a fellow Nepali. Honestly, it comes off very stupid and arrogant. Only ignorant, bleeding-heart liberal, hippies in America who are disassociated with the reality of the 'world' think India and vedic society are superior (they are called Hare Rama Hare Krishna), the reality is different.
 
 
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Posted on 01-20-14 3:11 PM     [Snapshot: 1299]     Reply [Subscribe]
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lol Vhootee. Please bear in mind 99.99% of Indians and Nepalese do not follow Vedic culture at all. They follow something called "Hinduism."


 



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